Angels sign Julio Teheran (1 year, $9 million)

[rafibomb]

 

may not see it as a necessity LOL

[ScruffytheJanitor]

Christ people- Tehran isn't coming here to be Noaln Ryan 2.0. He's coming here to soak up innings. It's almost like none of you remember Chris Stratton started like 7 games last year.

[winhalos]

With this move and the Bundy move, we definitely need a catcher that can hit. we have a pretty good offense, but need a great one 1 thru 9

[Lou]

8 minutes ago, Tank said:

holy cow, an xboom sighting! nice to see you!

in the last few days, there have been sightings of @xboom28x, @Coachbulldog and @Angels Never Die.

we're getting the band back together!

ok, who else has gone missing?

[Stradling]

Just now, Lou said:

in the last few days, there have been sightings of @xboom28x, @Coachbulldog and @Angels Never Die.

we're getting the band back together!

ok, who else has gone missing?

Vg 

[Turd Ferguson]

Keep the pitchers coming. IMO, whatever we get from Ohtani on the mound this season is a bonus so we are going to need guys that can eat up some innings.

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Vg 

Victor's Grandma?

[Stradling]

Just now, Lou said:

Victor's Grandma?

Victorious Ghost

[Don]

Can't hate on this. Pick up Ryu and or Keuchel, plus some catcher from somewhere, and I'd call it a good offseason.

[Stradling]

@Victorious Ghost

[Revad]

8 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I'll change my feelings of "giddy" to "optimistic" if we get Ryu or Keuchel.

I'd then like a trade for Contreras.

I’d be optimistic if we get Ryu or Keuchel and sign a catcher, holding the prospects for the trade deadline.  If things do south for the season Eppler can do what he was hoping to in 2019, trade off two or three expiring contracts (Simmons, La Stella, Teheran) to solidify the farm.  Deal for an ace next winter.

[Lou]

Just now, Stradling said:

Victorious Ghost

I know.....

[Stradling]

Shit

[Tank]

48 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

polished steel?

no, silly - blue steel.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Idk why people are relying so heavily on ERA in this discussion. I'm surprised nobody has brought up pitcher wins.

Past ERA isn't that good of a predictor of future ERA. Other stats have been shown to be better, such as xFIP and SIERA.

Teheran xFIP SIERA

2017 4.96 4.89

2018 4.72 4.67

2019 5.26 5.11

Career 4.37 4.27

Cole xFIP SIERA

2017 3.81 3.97

2018 3.04 2.91

2019 2.48 2.62

Career 3.22 3.31

Teheran fWAR 13.7

Cole fWAR 28.8

Only bringing up Cole because of the earlier comparison people loved, but if you actually dig past the surface, it's clear as day.

Anyway, $9 million for an innings eater isn't terrible value, especially given recent health struggles in rotation. It's like Cahill again, but with a better health history.

I think they get one more starter. Ryu/Keuchel.

[wopphil]

Last year, Barria, Suarez, Cahill and Harvey combined to give up 238 earned runs in about 320 innings. Bundy and Teheran, by contrast, gave up 160 across almost 340 innings.

The 80 run differential equates to a roughly 7 to 8 win swing. 

Over simplified, I realize but one could argue that we picked up 7-8 wins, on paper, for about 14 mil and a few prospects unlikely to ever crack the bigs.

[wopphil]

We also just increased our leverage in both Keuchel negotiations and trade negotiations. We are no longer desperate - merely needy.

[angelsnationtalk]

2 minutes ago, Revad said:

I’d be optimistic if we get Ryu or Keuchel and sign a catcher, holding the prospects for the trade deadline.  If things do south for the season Eppler can do what he was hoping to in 2019, trade off two or three expiring contracts (Simmons, La Stella, Teheran) to solidify the farm.  Deal for an ace next winter.

Good point. Two things I think. Simmons will be traded or not offered a new contract if they plan on keeping Rengifo and Fletcher has a solid year.

Once Rengifo is traded then I think he gets a contract extension which i'm 50/50 about. 

I think Fletcher is more than capable of handling SS in the future and that can save $15M+ for the Angels for them to make a run at another starter next offseason. 

[Tank]

i like this move. it's a step in the right direction and a definite improvement from last year.

[Tank]

15 minutes ago, Lou said:

in the last few days, there have been sightings of @xboom28x, @Coachbulldog and @Angels Never Die.

we're getting the band back together!

ok, who else has gone missing?

@Bruce Nye

Light up the Halo (looks like he deleted his account here or changed his screen name)

[Angel Oracle]

3 minutes ago, Tank said:

@Bruce Nye

Light up the Halo (looks like he deleted his account here or changed his screen name)

Hot Damn?     Halo?

[hangin n wangin]

15 minutes ago, Cosmo_Kramer said:

Idk why people are relying so heavily on ERA in this discussion. I'm surprised nobody has brought up pitcher wins.

Past ERA isn't that good of a predictor of future ERA. Other stats have been shown to be better, such as xFIP and SIERA.

Teheran xFIP SIERA

2017 4.96 4.89

2018 4.72 4.67

2019 5.26 5.11

Career 4.37 4.27

Cole xFIP SIERA

2017 3.81 3.97

2018 3.04 2.91

2019 2.48 2.62

Career 3.22 3.31

Teheran fWAR 13.7

Cole fWAR 28.8

Only bringing up Cole because of the earlier comparison people loved, but if you actually dig past the surface, it's clear as day.

Anyway, $9 million for an innings eater isn't terrible value, especially given recent health struggles in rotation. It's like Cahill again, but with a better health history.

I think they get one more starter. Ryu/Keuchel.

Yea...that was not a good comparison.

[Dick B Back]

20 minutes ago, Lou said:

in the last few days, there have been sightings of @xboom28x, @Coachbulldog and @Angels Never Die.

we're getting the band back together!

ok, who else has gone missing?

@Lifetime

[Don]

8 minutes ago, Cosmo_Kramer said:

Idk why people are relying so heavily on ERA in this discussion. I'm surprised nobody has brought up pitcher wins.

Past ERA isn't that good of a predictor of future ERA. Other stats have been shown to be better, such as xFIP and SIERA.

Teheran xFIP SIERA

2017 4.96 4.89

2018 4.72 4.67

2019 5.26 5.11

Career 4.37 4.27

Cole xFIP SIERA

2017 3.81 3.97

2018 3.04 2.91

2019 2.48 2.62

Career 3.22 3.31

Teheran fWAR 13.7

Cole fWAR 28.8

Only bringing up Cole because of the earlier comparison people loved, but if you actually dig past the surface, it's clear as day.

Anyway, $9 million for an innings eater isn't terrible value, especially given recent health struggles in rotation. It's like Cahill again, but with a better health history.

I think they get one more starter. Ryu/Keuchel.

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't the difference between Teheran's XFIP and SIERA suggest a decent amount of ground balls? And if so, maybe having a pretty fantastic infield defense behind him will lead to some good results? Could be a case of Eppler and others looking for value from a pitcher that fits well with our team defensively and may end up with better results because of it. Just my own little positive spin on what I'm seeing there.

[angelsnationtalk]

Angels SP WAR top 6 by IP (2019)
Cahill: -0.4
Pena: 0.8
Heaney: 1.0
Canning: 1.1
Barria: -0.5
Suarez: -1.2
Total: 0.8

Angels FA SP WAR (2019) top 6 rotation for 2020
Keuchel: 2.0 (Assuming we get him)
Ohtani (2018): 1.2 
Teheran: 2.4
Bundy: 2.3
Heaney: 1.0
Canning: 1.1
Total: 10.0
Total without Keuchel: 8.0

This is a VERY big difference already