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  1. Waiting for the Angels to make a move before the deadline while simultaneously waiting for our baby to be born. She's due next week and seems determined to make it to her due date.
    17 points
  2. "And then I said, 'F you, Dodgers. I'm taking Rengifo and my ball home.' It was exhilarating."
    14 points
  3. didn't realize he was about to get injured.
    12 points
  4. I feel its nicer to get the losses out of the way earlier in the day.
    12 points
  5. PattyD22

    Daron Sutton let go

    Wow. That was a quicker hook than Maddon with one of his starters.
    12 points
  6. My signature positive memory of him is a pregame show feature on a charity event he hosted benefitting some kind of program pairing dogs with kids at Children's Hospital. He seemed/seems like a good man. But that's not what you want to have as your best memory of a ballplayer, especially when he was traded for one of your three favorite Angels ever. More than any single player, Heaney represented the last six years of Angels baseball: Each spring we would convince ourselves that maybe THIS would be the year that he turned it around, and each summer we would be disappointed anew. I am glad this era is over.
    11 points
  7. Not sure if this is a thing, but I thought it might create dialogue. I don't want to dwell on the past, and I'm not opposed to him being fired, but I do think many of the positive revelations of 2021 are largely thanks to his good work. And now Minasian has a lot to work with. But let's examine what Billy Eppler did for the Angels. - Many fans were upset that the time, but Eppler bought super low on Max Stassi and now he's one of the best catchers in baseball. A good defender and a good hitter, and he's young-ish and inexpensive with team control. GREAT ACQUISITION. - He acquired Patrick Sandoval for a couple months of Martin Maldonado and right now, Sandoval looks like the real deal. Tall, athletic, strong lefty from So-Cal that regularly sits 95. Sounds like a young Cole Hamels, doesn't it? - Under his reign as GM we saw significant developmental leaps with guys like David Fletcher, and Jared Walsh. - While he made some poor coaching choices that set the Angels back (I feel), we should at least acknowledge that Suarez, Barria and Canning all came from his farm system. And that in essence had "fixed" the pitching shortage. - Speaking of farm system, Eppler inherited one that was dead last by a fair margin, and built it up. Jo Adell, Brandon Marsh, Jordyn Adams, Arol Vera, Alexander Ramirez, Edgar Quero, Alejandro Hidalgo, Jeremiah Jackson, Werner Blakely, Jack Kochanowicz, David Daniel, etc.... - He extended Trout for a lifetime contract. With the exception of 2002, nothing will change the shape of a franchise more than keeping possibly the greatest player of all time, in your uniform his entire career. - Last but not least, Shohei Ohtani. He's an Angel for many reasons, but among them has to be the approach Billy Eppler took in recruiting him. Yes, Billy Eppler had his shortcomings, and the Angels didn't win under him, but because the bar has been set so low, I think we can safely say that Eppler is probably the second best GM in franchise history, after Bill Stoneman. But when you're replacing Tony Reagins and Jerry Dipoto, you really have nowhere to go but up. I hope Eppler is hired by another organization eventually, he deserves it. Let's hope Minasian can build off of this foundation too.
    11 points
  8. By @Inside Pitch, AngelsWin.com Contributor Pitcherpalooza!!! Two days and 10 rounds into the 2021 MLB draft and we can honestly say it's been a bit of a fun if somewhat "steady" ride... Day one started off with a bang when the consensus "draft day" first overall pick, SS Marcelo Mayer was passed over for Louisville C, Henry Davis. So, was it really a surprise when the Angels' pick came up at number 9 and the consensus "pre-season" first overall pick was still on the board? Yup! The miraculous actually happened, Kumar Rocker was available! Angel fans everywhere rejoiced at what they believed was an easy choice, a no brainer ... right? WRONG! The Halos brain-trust sent the fanbase into a complete tailspin by selecting Miami of Ohio RHP Sam Bachman. While people everywhere lost their collective minds, the Angels remained resolute that they made the right choice. Angels farm director Matt Swanson was quick to praise Bachman for his work ethic, elite GB tendencies, and plus/plus two pitch combo that includes a FB that's been clocked as high as 101 MPH and a wipeout slider that scouts have given a 65 or 70 grade depending on the sources. Bachman joins the Angels with some risks, he's had shoulder and hip issues that limited him to 59 innings, but it's what he's done when he's pitched that drove the Angels decision -- 93 Ks, only 17 BBs and 1 HR allowed over 59.2 innings.. When it's all said and done Bachman is exactly the sort of pitcher the Angels needed, a college arm full of upside who at worst profiles as an elite back end RP. Be happy. Bachman and Rocker's careers will no doubt he compared to each other if for no other reason because Rocker was a known guy with an impressive resume who pitched for one of college baseball's powerhouses, but if you scratch beneath the surface you'll find plenty of similarities both on the good and bad side. Both guys have performed when they have been on the mound, both guys have lingering questions... But the Angels are banking on Bachman continuing to develop. They are betting the work ethic and dedication to his craft that has transformed him from an undrafted HS pitcher who worked in the upper 80s to lower 90s into the 101 MPH fireballer who was taken 9th in the first round will continue to elevate him at the next level -- he just needs to stay healthy and do exactly what he's shown he can do .. work. But wait, there's more... pitchers.... With their 2nd pick the Angels selected college LHP Ky Bush out of St Mary's College in Moraga CA. Bush is a giant of a man, 6'6 240lbs. In 14 starts he went 7-5 with a 2.99 ERA and 112 Ks over 78.1 IP, Bush's FB goes 90-96 typically sitting at 94 MPH and a hard top to bottom breaking slider as well as a curve and the early makings of a change up. Scouts have been talking up Bush's deception and ability to keep the ball in the park (only 3 HRs allowed in 2021). There is some projection left in him still. The third round was more of the same and yet very different. With their third pick the Angels selected LSU RHP Landon Marceaux. The soon to be former LSU Tiger went 7-7 with a 2.54 ERA over 102.2 innings and 116Ks. Marceaux is less of a power pitcher than either of the Angels first two selections with a FB that routinely sits 90-92, but he makes up for that lack of brute power with 55 grades on his curveball, changeup, and slider. The curve has been his best pitch since HS,a top down breaker that he can throw for strikes. He's likely the Angels "safest" pick so far in 2021. With their fourth pick (#110 overall), the Angels targeted Vanderbilt University RHP Luke Murphy. Murphy was a 3rd year freshman coming out of the Vandy pen. Another big bodied pitcher (6'5), Murphy works a 93-96 and can hit 99 with his FB. He's got a power curve he throws in the mid 80s and a change also in the mid 80s. Murphy threw 41.1 innings of 2,40 ERA ball with 9 saves, 61Ks .vs 15 BB. He needs to work on control but he's got high leverage RP ability. In the 5th (171st overall), the Angels selected RHP Brett Kerry out of South Carolina. Mostly a RP, the Angels are looking at him as a SP. Despite being on the smaller side 6'0 213 lbs, Kerry can hit 96 with his FB. He went 5-1 with a 2.15 ERA and 84 Ks 10 BB over 54.1 innings. Maybe more importantly, he was at his absolute best when facing the best. Kerry pitched 11.2 innings of 7 hit, 1 run ball with 16 Ks in the CWS Championship Series. In the 6th the took yet another college SP, RHer Jake Smith from the University of Miami. Smith started the year in the Hurricane's pen then moved into the rotation. He's got a nice three pitch mix, FB that he works in the mid 90s that can touch 98 a mid 80s slider and a changeup with some late movement. On the season he went 3-1 over 47 IP with 63 Ks. In the 7th round the Angels again went after an arm, Arkansas Razorback Ryan Costeiu. A RP, he sits 93-94 with his FB with a plus change. There isn't a lot of projection here, but he was seemingly becoming one of the Razorback's go to guys out of the pen as the season wore on. Next up... LHP Nick Jones from Georgia Southern University. Jones tied the school record with 17 saves, going 1-0 with a 1.48 ERA and 67 Ks in 44.2 innings. He's a bean pole at 6'6 and only 210 pounds, so there may yet be some projection there. With their 9th pick the Angels selected RHP Braden Olthoff from Tulane. 6'4'' 248 he's got a workhorse's body. In 13 starts he went 6-3 with a 3.62 ERA over 78.2 innings with 91 Ks .vs 11 BB. He doesn't throw hard at all -- topping out at 92 maybe, but he's got great control a really good slider and a change up that darts all over the place. He's a fun pitcher to watch. With their final selection of day 2 the Angels took Andrew Peters our of the University of South Carolina. Peters worked exclusively from the pen in 2021 -- he struggles with the command of a FB that can get as high as 97-98 and slider and changeup. There isn't much in the way of projection left but plenty of room for refinement. It was a bit of a departure from what we had grown accustomed to in recent years. No toolsy HS position players.. actually no HS players period. Perhaps we see that with the 11th pick and throughout day three but when when everything is said and done the Angels seemingly went about what may have been a difficult draft by making the simplest of choices -- they targeted arms for a farm system that really needs to add depth on the pitching side. View the full article
    11 points
  9. I am seeing a lot of Luis Castillo (a favorite trade target among here on this board) comps to Sam Bachman. Low 3-quarters arm slot coming from around the same height, Bachman being 6'1 and Castillo is 6'2. Both throw a high velocity fastball with ridiculous movement, a "gyro-slider", and if Bachman's changeup develops as a lot of people think it will, it could end up being just as good as the slider. https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2020/11/30/21724044/2021-draft-scouting-report-sam-bachman So here’s the hot take. I think the changeup is going to end up being Bachman’s crown jewel. You could make a pretty rock solid argument Castillo has the best changeup in all of baseball. Listen, Castillo’s changeup is better. There’s no doubting that. He gets 2 more inches of fade and kills 2.5 more inches of lift than Bachman does. But Bachman just switched to this changeup grip. He’s still putting it all together. As you can see above, just a touch more wrist supination, getting that spin direction a little closer to 3:00, and Bachman may have an absolute dagger of a pitch here. The closer you get to 3:00, the more lift you’ll kill, thus resulting in more drop. Castillo has a double-plus, 70-grade changeup. I think that potential exists here as he’s shown his arm is capable of putting itself in a position to exact extreme orientations on a baseball.
    11 points
  10. You guys have forgotten an important aspect of Walsh's game. He's by far the best interview on the team.
    11 points
  11. Angels literally getting junk for Heaney. As expected
    10 points
  12. I appreciate that people have worked their asses off to make a living. You earned every dollar you have ever made. But you're successful, well-off people telling others how to use their money. Not everyone is in the exact same position as you were 20 plus years ago. Things are absolutely not the same. Getting extra jobs and "supplementing income" is not as easy as you guys are making it out to be. You get drafted out of high school. What jobs are you going to get? McDonald's? Walmart? 7-Eleven (that's what I did.)? How much time are they going to be able to spend working 2 jobs to "supplement their income" while training to become professional athletes? Look at them as interns for the Angels. Anyway, the point should be that every organization pays their minor leaguers. "They don't have to pay them" is not an argument, because they all do. We want a successful organization right? We haven't in over a decade. Why might that be?We should be treating them better. Other organizations are realizing this. Every organization should realize this. We want these guys to turn into stars. Give them everything they need to accomplish that. Better living conditions, better equipment, better training facilities. That's doing what you can to set these guys up for success. If you only want to pay them what you're currently paying them then fine. But at least give them the tools they need to be successful.
    10 points
  13. Only employs 8 scouts. Doesn’t make sure prospects are in a healthy environment, compared to other orgs. Rumors abound that good GM candidates don’t want to work for him. It’s almost like Moreno is disinterested in truly operating a franchise and farm in an effective way. He only cares about the big splash. ONE post-season appearance after 2009 Time to sell the team? He isn’t getting any younger (75).
    10 points
  14. This org does very few things right
    10 points
  15. In an era dominated by three true outcomes baseball Fletch is playing a totally different game with incredible success. Last 30 days: .444 BA leads MLB 11 Doubles leads MLB 8 Strikeouts leads MLB (fewest) .457 OBP 2nd in AL, 5th in MLB 57 Total bases 3rd in AL, 6th in MLB 1.090 OPS 4th in AL, 9th in MLB Last 15 days: .522 BA Leads AL, 2nd in MLB 1.326 OPS leads AL, 3rd in MLB SEASON: 100th percentile for Whiff% 99th percentile for Strikeout% 109 Total Hits 2nd in AL, 5th in MLB .318 BA 5th in AL, 8th MLB When it really matters (Season stats): .368 Late and Close .400 Runners in Scoring Position .441 Runner at 2nd .462 Runners at 2nd and 3rd .500 Bases loaded .750 Extra Innings Hitting streak currently at 26 games All with zero barrelled balls and 3rd percentile for walks: he's become a supreme hitting machine playing a different game at the plate that I love to watch. And he is an Angel for years to come. Go Fletcher!
    10 points
  16. But he’s still bad for baseball because he needs an interpreter. Fuck you Stephan A. Smith. Ohtani is great for baseball and, it seems, like a great human being. Glad he’s on our team.
    10 points
  17. tdawg87

    Gallo and Gibson

    There's a significant difference between 1.5 years of control and 7. You make that trade when you're already in the 2nd wildcard and within striking distance of the division leader, not when you're 5.5 games out from the 2nd WC. I know he's controlled through next year but I just don't think it's a trade the Angels win. If you're going to trade Marsh, you trade him for a pitcher controlled past 2023. Just how I see it.
    10 points
  18. We just beat the team with the best record in baseball two out of three, lost barely by a run, despite not having Trout, Upton or Rendon. #LTBU
    10 points
  19. It's not just the Angels it's pretty much baseball history. People have always been ignorant of what these guys go through to get to where they are, it's even worse for the kids from Latin America. People have just always glossed over it or don't realize that players have no other options while under team control, they can't just up and take their act elsewhere, their only options are quit and move on or make it work. Look no further than what teams are doing with draft bonuses even now. You have guys being drafted and then being signed for 1k because of team control. Meanwhile they'd be able to shop themselves to the highest bidder had they not been drafted. It's kind of twisted but while everyone will focus their ire on owners it's not like the players at the highest level are free of blame. They all went through it, they also have never done anything to make it better for those guys -- it's just always been viewed as part of the gig, the price you pay to make millions later. It's good to see that a lot of the forward thinking teams have changed how the do business, it's crazy that a team known for penny pinching like Cleveland is among those willing to spend more but it makes the most sense -- they are investing in their future by trying to maximize their chances, it's really annoying to see the Angels failing here. The easiest route would be to establish minimum living standards across baseball. Something like that might actually serve to level the playing field to a degree, but it's unlikely it happens without outside pressure. This is particularly true after MLB's takeover of minor league baseball. This was a pretty good piece on the subject https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28702734/mlb-raising-minimum-salary-minor-leaguers-2021
    9 points
  20. Just because people have it worse doesn't mean these guys don't have a right to be upset.
    9 points
  21. Been saying this for weeks regardless of their position in the standings. I personally believe they can be better by selling off and calling guys up. Every pitcher in the system above A ball with two pitches and the ability to make his own outs is a potential RP. I'd rather lose with Wantz than with Cishek.
    9 points
  22. Could not care less about how washed up he is I will not be convinced -1.0 fWAR infielder Luis Rengifo is a better option for the outfield
    9 points
  23. Jason

    SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19

    The weakest muscle on Trout's body?
    9 points
  24. Lol everyone wanted them to draft a pitcher because we need pitching ASAP and they draft the most MLB-ready pitcher in the entire class and people complain because he wasn’t the big name. Love this place. The pick is fine. It’s rounds 2-10 that really matter.
    9 points
  25. Hea been a huge out of nowhere boost. Go back to a year ago today.... if anyone told you trout, upton and rendon would be out for extended time, but no worries, ohtani and walsh are going to be manny/ortiz, you would have laughed
    9 points
  26. Forgot this one Realized 250 mill for Pujols was a horrible deal. Got the dodgers to take, so brought it down to 249.5 mill
    9 points
  27. Lou

    Holy Hell, Trevor Bauer 2.0!

    " It's bigger than we thought" Bauer: Thank you.
    9 points
  28. I don't hate what he did. I hate what he didn't do.
    8 points
  29. Maybe this is just cover to make it look like the Angels "gave it a shot."
    8 points
  30. one of the wild card spots is already done. Tampa or Boston is gonna take that without a problem. We're over 10 games back of those two. We have no shot to win the division. we'd have to pass 5 teams to get to the second wild card. One of which is in our division who we're 3-9 against in OAK. We're 5-8 vs. seattle. And we're 3-6 vs. Houston. That's a We're 25-41 vs. teams over .500. We play 44 of our last 64 games vs. teams over .500. Let's go at this a different way. They're gonna need 90 wins to get the second wild card. Which means they have to go 41-23 for the rest of the season just to have a shot. Which is a .640 winning pct. And that still guarantees them nothing. Oakland or one of the other 5 teams ahead of them could go on a run and end up with 93-94 wins. The math just isn't there. They need to sell off their expiring part and only consider if said player can make a difference for the next few years. Anything close to buying a rental would be utterly stupid.
    8 points
  31. nate

    Rich Waltz

    Angels found their guy, he is excellent. Doesn't do the fake excitement crap that Vasgersian and Sutton did. Excellent TV voice and strong knowledge. Also gets along well with Gubi.
    8 points
  32. since when is an employee voicing his displeasure the equivalent of "whining"? do they not have the right to stand up for their own self interests as you are applauding arte or the ceo at your job for? there's this weird thinking in america that if you don't just tough it out and take what they give you, then you're a malcontent.
    8 points
  33. That depends. If a team deals us a top of the rotation starter with multiple years of control for him, then I'll trade him. If not, I'm good with keeping him. He's an imperfect yet elite prospect. He strikes out too much, doesn't walk enough and is the worst defensive outfielder I've ever seen. At the same time, his exit velocities are insane. He will drive the ball out of the ball park, to all parts of the field. And as @Inside Pitchand @Dochalo said before, he swings at too many pitches not because he lacks pitch recognition, but because he's arrogant and thinks he can destroy every pitch. He's also an incredible athlete, and has all the tools to someday become a good defender and a force to be reckoned with on the base paths, if he so chooses. As a prospect hound, I'd prefer to see our homegrown studs remain in the organization, but I also recognize the need for great pitching. I'm good either way.
    8 points
  34. Too early to answer. I think it depends on a couple things: • How he looks in the minors • If there's a legitimate need for the team to bring him up in September (a la, K-Rod in 2002)
    8 points
  35. Exactly. The Tigers have the same number of playoff appearances since 2015...I know few people on here will probably agree with me, but sometimes it's better to suck for a few years than to be mediocre. It pays off more in the long run. (And the Tigers had a pretty good run from 2006-2016)
    8 points
  36. Say what you will about Sutton's broadcast skills a mid season firing is shocking. Considering how long Mota and Gubi have hung on you'd think no matter how bad Sutton was he'd last at least through the season.
    8 points
  37. I wanted Cole more than any FA since Beltre was available. And holy shit would that have been huge. Rendon signing wasnt "fun" to me at all, being that he wasnt Cole. But has anyone seen his numbers since the sticky stuff crackdown? Then add Bauer last off season. I wanted him because we need pitching so badly, but was leery after seeing that video I posted on here, about his numbers once he started using the sticky stuff, and how the video alluded to MLBs pending crackdown. (Though it hasnt seemed to effect him). Had we signed either, with Coles sudden pre 2018, and Bauers legal trouble, we would have been absolutely screwed. Would have been right up there with pujols and hamilton. We obviously still need a frontline SP. But we got lucky as hell on missing out on both of these guys. I just wish Bauer got the same deal Cole did Side note. The yankees are stuck w Coles money (assuming he doesnt bounce back), chapman (who has also completely fallen off since the crackdown) and stanton. (I still like stanton a lot, but hes not the same guy). And thats about 500+ mill over the next 6 years or so. Someone else is finally in our shoes.
    8 points
  38. "That's awesome, granddad. How many World Series did they win together?" "Well, kids, lemme tell you about their pitching..."
    8 points
  39. Before the season, based on what I saw of Ohtani, I thought he had potential to be good, maybe even really good, but I never imagined he would/could be this good. He is simply amazing in what he has done so far this year, and it’s a pleasure to watch him play. As I said before in the Ohtani thread, it going to be great to tell my grandkids I got to watch a “once in a generation” player like Mike Trout and I also got to watch a “once in a lifetime” player in Shohei Ohtani. Simply amazing stuff he is accomplishing in baseball this year and I’m glad to be a witness to it.
    8 points
  40. Lou

    Holy Hell, Trevor Bauer 2.0!

    Ummm, yes?
    8 points


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