Angels sign Trevor Cahill

[Chuck]

[totdprods]

I'm fine pausing on the rotation now, focusing on catcher and a reliever, and then seeing who can be had late offseason. 
I'm warming to the idea of Grandal, and if the budget allows and Moose's market is ice-cold again, he'd be a great pick-up for 3B.

[Barrett]

The other big thing is both these starters are young. Much better than signing 30 plus year old pitchers. 

[totdprods]

Let's also remember that Eppler's best rotation and most competitive season came with Nolasco and Chavez leading the rotation.

[floplag]

6 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

they won't be.  they're already not actually.  We've got some good players.  We just need the kids to replace the crappy ones.  Of course it's not going to be the perfect puzzle, but then once the cheap controllable talent starts to roll in, you supplement in other areas.  

The key component over the next couple years is finding out which young players are going to actually contribute.  

agreed 100%.  Though i have to think they have a pretty good idea who should barring someone really stepping up.  A year ago Regnifo wasnt really on that radar and he is now due to a breakout 18.  Someone hopefully will have an equally impressive 19.
I still think Jones is a complete sell high option in trade talks

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

I would like to be the first, to Thank and Wish Doug White well on all of his future endeavors during the 2020 season. 

[totdprods]

Also, should this season go south and Cahill and Harvey are producing, Eppler will be well positioned to deal them at the deadline. 

Sandoval, Buttrey, and Jerez were great pick-ups last year.

[AngelsFaninGA]

If we dont hit a homerun with this current batch of prospects we're gonna enter Mets territory pretty soon

[Angel Oracle]

20 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

How come I'm seeing these blank screens from Chuck lately on here?

[Angel Oracle]

15 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Also, it is getting more and more evident that, with the pitchers we've acquired, Eppler intends to go with a 6-man rotation again.

I'm guessing Skaggs, Harvey, Cahill, Heaney, Pena and Barria Seth Rollins Tropeano...also likely means that we not re-signing Shoemaker after non-tendering him.

FIFY

[mulwin444]

Just now, totdprods said:

Also, should this season go south and Cahill and Harvey are producing, Eppler will be well positioned to deal them at the deadline. 

Sandoval, Buttrey, and Jerez were great pick-ups last year.

This as well...if all are producing and healthy, they would definitely be movable 

[Second Base]

Not a huge fan of this move, but I'm not completely opposed. 

Pros: Cahill's stuff has maintained, he's clearly a good for a 3.50 ERA and a lot of K's.  His signing probably doesn't eliminate the Angels from signing Yusei Kikuchi or even perhaps trading for Bauer or Kluber.  It's just a one year deal, so if he sucks, he won't haunt the Angels long term.  Harvey and Cahill together are a heck of a lot better than what the Angels got collectively from their #4 and #5 spots in the rotation last year. 

Cons: Let's face it, Billy Eppler said he wanted to get steady pitchers that can eat up innings, and he just spent 20 million on two pitchers with significant injury history.  Trevor Cahill hasn't thrown more than 110 innings in the last 5 fives.  He hasn't thrown 200 in seven years.  And if the Angels are looking for front of the rotation production to get them to the playoffs, this isn't it.  Not exactly sure how Mike Trout views these one year deals.  The Angels have money to spend, and yet they aren't spending it.  Not even sure if he wants to stay or not.  Maybe they're saving for his extension.  I don't know. 

Overall: These aren't the sort of moves that move the needle much, but if Skaggs and Heaney have the years they had last year, and the Angels upgrade their offense AND they land Kikuchi, then suddenly this is a playoff team.  It's doubtful they'll do it, but again, this is looking like an 80-85 win team.

[CanadianHalo]

LOL at the Harvey and Cahill signings.

It’s obvious that their priority isn’t competing this year and as a fan it’s tough to be anything other than pissed off.

Well that basically does it for the budget this offseason. Come the start of June we’ll already be talking about next years offseason. What a rush.

 

[mulwin444]

1 minute ago, CanadianHalo said:

LOL at the Harvey and Cahill signings.

It’s obvious that their priority isn’t competing this year and as a fan it’s tough to be anything other than pissed off.

Well that basically does it for the budget this offseason. Come the start of June we’ll already be talking about next years offseason. What a rush.

 

And, yet, as a fan, I'm not pissed off...

[jsnpritchett]

2 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Not a huge fan of this move, but I'm not completely opposed. 

Pros: Cahill's stuff has maintained, he's clearly a good for a 3.50 ERA

Here we go again with someone claiming an Angels pitcher is going to have  a 3.50 ERA.  Cahill has had an ERA below 3.76 as a starter exactly once in his career, in 2010.

[Cdaniel]

1 minute ago, Second Base said:

Not a huge fan of this move, but I'm not completely opposed. 

Pros: Cahill's stuff has maintained, he's clearly a good for a 3.50 ERA and a lot of K's.  His signing probably doesn't eliminate the Angels from signing Yusei Kikuchi or even perhaps trading for Bauer or Kluber.  It's just a one year deal, so if he sucks, he won't haunt the Angels long term.  Harvey and Cahill together are a heck of a lot better than what the Angels got collectively from their #4 and #5 spots in the rotation last year. 

Cons: Let's face it, Billy Eppler said he wanted to get steady pitchers that can eat up innings, and he just spent 20 million on two pitchers with significant injury history.  Trevor Cahill hasn't thrown more than 110 innings in the last 5 fives.  He hasn't thrown 200 in seven years.  And if the Angels are looking for front of the rotation production to get them to the playoffs, this isn't it.  Not exactly sure how Mike Trout views these one year deals.  The Angels have money to spend, and yet they aren't spending it.  Not even sure if he wants to stay or not.  Maybe they're saving for his extension.  I don't know. 

Overall: These aren't the sort of moves that move the needle much, but if Skaggs and Heaney have the years they had last year, and the Angels upgrade their offense AND they land Kikuchi, then suddenly this is a playoff team.  It's doubtful they'll do it, but again, this is looking like an 80-85 win team.

I don't get saving for the Trout ext, wouldn't it be just adding additional 5-7 mil based on what he is making now?  

I think we end the offseason by signing Kikuchi and Grandal.  

[CanadianHalo]

1 minute ago, mulwin444 said:

And, yet, as a fan, I'm not pissed off...

Better not hear you bitch once when mid summer rolls around and this team stinks

[mulwin444]

Also, if the Angels end up signing Kikuchi, your rotation is (likely):

Kikuchi, Skaggs, Harvey, Heaney, Cahill and Barria starting 2019 for a 3 LHP/3 RHP split with "long relievers" Pena and Tropeano available as depth and J.C. Ramirez coming back from Rehab

[Broad Street]

5 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

LOL at the Harvey and Cahill signings.

It’s obvious that their priority isn’t competing this year and as a fan it’s tough to be anything other than pissed off.

Well that basically does it for the budget this offseason. Come the start of June we’ll already be talking about next years offseason. What a rush.

 

Riveting. Tell me more.

[failos]

This is a very nice signing. Props to Eppler, but keep it coming.

[mulwin444]

4 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Better not hear you bitch once when mid summer rolls around and this team stinks

And if I do and it's unrelated to the starting rotation?  Are you willing to track this and give me updates on my performance?

Let me know, Chief

[Cdaniel]

Just now, mulwin444 said:

Also, if the Angels end up signing Kikuchi, your rotation is (likely):

Kikuchi, Skaggs, Harvey, Heaney, Cahill and Barria starting 2019 for a 3 LHP/3 RHP split with "long relievers" Pena and Tropeano available as depth and J.C. Ramirez coming back from Rehab

I like it!  Lock in Grandal at catcher and we are looking good.  

[Blarg]

46 minutes ago, NJHalo said:

Career Win/Loss of 80/83....

How fitting for a team that finishes with that record every season

Yeah, it's that extra game every year that skews the Angels win loss record.

[Docwaukee]

If they land Kikuchi, I would definitely entertain moving Skaggs as Strad mentioned.  Target teams would be the twins, padres, reds and braves.  

[floplag]

4 minutes ago, totdprods said:

I still don't understand the notion that because the Angels didn't 'try to win' in 2019-2020 it will affect Trout's decision on whether or not to re-sign.
He was here when we 'tried to win' 2011-2015 and all it did was eff up 2016-2020 by clogging payroll and killing the farm. 

If we did that again now, what's to say it doesn't eff up 2020-25?

I'd think re-upping with an Angels team with a loaded farm, young core, and flexible payroll sometime in 19-20 to set the team up for 2020-25 would be a lot more appealing. 

 

Well opinions vary on this one but the man himself has made it clear he wants to play meaningful baseball. 

I guess the simplest way to put this is if someone asks you to buy stock that has shown a loss in value for the last few years you are going to have a hard time justifying the investment in that as opposed to one whose value has been rising.    Weve spent the last 3 years in the red, we need to get back to the green.    I think winning a wild card would go along way to showing progress in that regard.

Oh and not to nitpick, but we arent exactly a loaded farm either.  WE have 1 legit possible star, a handful of very good guys and a lot of potentially average major leaguers.  Its going to take some outside influx regardless even assuming we keep the core intact.