Why not waive Pujols?

[19HALO71]

Hey all, it's been a while. I hope this isn't a Craig.

I get that he is under contract. The money is already spent. But why not just waive him and his 0.5 WAR and fill his spot with a younger more versatile player?

[robblin17]

3 minutes ago, 19HALO71 said:

Hey all, it's been a while. I hope this isn't a Craig.

I get that he is under contract. The money is already spent. But why not just waive him and his 0.5 WAR and fill his spot with a younger more versatile player?

Because he's a good guy, mang.

[beatlesrule]

[kevinb]

Because it’s been said if Pujols isn’t on the team anymore Trout will want out. So before Trout re signs he wants to make sure Pujols signs an extension as well. 

[hangin n wangin]

Why waive him when you can put him at 1st and bat him clean up?

[floplag]

I say the same as ive said before, do we have a better option today?
Sure we could get one but then you pay whatever his salary is plus Pujols (which we still have to pay) for what, maybe one more WAR rating?  Thats an awful expensive position on a team with a limited budget.
Its money better spent elsewhere until an internal option pushes him. 

[Blarg]

14 minutes ago, 19HALO71 said:

The money is already spent. 

It would make sense to see if there is any value still in that cost. If he can be productive at all then you play him in a role that helps the ball club. I'm pretty sure by mid season this will be answered and the rest of the season will follow what the stats say must be done. 

[Docwaukee]

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

[AngelsFaninGA]

Lol. It's this thread again. 

[Hubs]

See now I can tell that most of these posts are sarcasm.

The most money eaten on a contract was around $67M which I believe was A-Rod. Second was the money that Arte paid to get rid of Hamilton around $60M. They may discuss this in the 2020 season, but they won't do it now.

This year they have two potential 1B candidates from the minors in Jared Walsh and Matt Thaiss... and a third in Ward, I think.

Thaiss and Walsh have no major league experience. You don't know if or how they are going to hit in the majors. After they get some playing time this year, if they are still here after this offseason of course, then, maybe they will cut ties with Pujols...but it won't be a DFA, it will be when he retires willingly. He is the 2nd or 3rd best player I've seen since the Angels won the WS. He may be a 41 year old shell of that now, but he's still a somewhat valuable 1st baseman...I think he can put up Mitch Moreland numbers in 2019 and 2020, if his playing time is limited and he's moved down in the order.

If they had a Mike Trout caliber or even a Casey Kotchman type in the minors who is pushing, then they may be pushed to try to get him to retire early. At 41, he's had a great career.

Moreland's numbers last year : 124 G (103 GS). 23 2B and 15 HR, 50 BB and 102 K. .245 / .325 / .433 - .758 OPS

Pujols's numbers last year: 117 G (70 GS at 1st, 47 at DH). 20 2B and 19 HR. 28 BB to 65 K. .245 / .289 / .411 - .700 OPS.

I think by trying to get him to walk more, not hitting him in the 2-3-4-5 spot, he can push his way to a .315 OBP.  His average would have to rise as well, so .259? I think he doesn't play well after playing a few days in a row, and he needs to have a day or so off. I'd play him 4 times a week if they play 6 and 5 if they play 7, 3 at 1st and 1 as the DH. They need to have a backup 1B for this to happen though, and I don't think LaStella is it.

 

[hangin n wangin]

14 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

Can we use a pinch runner?

[Docwaukee]

2 minutes ago, hangin n wangin said:

Can we use a pinch runner?

we're gonna need a pinch stander if he keeps going.  

[Dtwncbad]

18 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

Yes it is a respect thing.  The Angels are showing great respect.

The ongoing question is when will Pujols RESPECT what is right for the organization and have the self RESPECT to not run his own broken-down, non-producing body out there.

Yep, this is absolutely a respect thing.

Albert?

[Taylor]

23 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

But CJ Cron!

[Taylor]

Why not just extend Trout?

[Angel Oracle]

He has to see the sub .700 OPS since April 2017, and his being the SLOWEST runner in MLB, as a clue that NOW is the time to announce his retirement effective October 2019.

He should get NO MORE than 80 starts in 2019, which still allows him a proper farewell while maximizing 1B production by having a LHH start the other half of the games at 1B. 

[Angel Oracle]

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

Why not just extend Trout?

Speaking of which, Machado and Harper....

The rest of MLB and Judge Smails say...."Well?    We're waiting!"

Scotty Bor-arse is such a.....

[nando714]

he's nothing more than the highest paid mentor in the history of mentorship. 

[AngelsFanSince86]

16 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

Exactly.  And they aren't stupid for doing it.  This was part of the whole deal to begin with.  Pujols is one of the greatest players of all time.  Having him as a part of your organization after he retires is a big deal.  Other more established organizations have several baseball greats that have some sort of role on the team.  It creates a certain culture.  Something teams like the Red Sox, Yankees, Cardinals, Dodgers, etc. have.  You have to start somewhere.  When Arte brought in Pujols this was a major part of why he did it.  It sucks right now because he sucks, but long term for the organization it is a great move.  They would be stupid to let him go at this point.  It would all be essentially for nothing.

He moved his family here.  His kids go to school here.  This was always meant to be a permanent deal.

[T.G.]

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

That statement includes extending your soon to be big time free agent.

[yk9001]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

In other words, the Angels really don't want to win. What's more important to them is the whole pomp and circumstance. Kinda like the Queen of England.

[m0nkey]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

But CJ Cron!

CJ Cron had a better year than Pujols.

[CanadianHalo]

 

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

Whether people like it or not, it's a respect thing.  

He's a first ballot HOFer.  

They're gonna treat him like baseball royalty.  Hopefully there have been discussions behind the scenes about when he will retire.  They'll buy out whatever is left and his final season will be the victory lap where every city he goes to will shower him with praise and teams will buy him gifts.  

If you ever want a big name free agent to come or to extend your own star players that's how you have to treat someone who's so well respected within the game.  

It part and parcel with signing someone to a 10 year deal of Albert's stature within baseball.    

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