Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

[angelsnationtalk]

Rays Have Been In Contact With Jacob deGrom https://t.co/wuqcX760LZ pic.twitter.com/wvM6FuXpxK

— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) November 30, 2022

Is today April Fools Day? The Rays looking to double their payroll or what?

[Pancake Bear]

41 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I'd rather have Rengifo than Adames.... And I don't like Rengifo.

Rengifo is so far a league average bat with negative defense at shortstop. Adames was a top 5-10 defensive shortstop in 2022 (depending what metric you favor) with above league average hitting (about 110 wRC+) and had actually been better with his bat the two previous seasons (roughly 120 wRC+). That's a really good player, and he was only 27 this year. 

Rengifo has yet to show he's anywhere close to that valuable. He could be, but he's not there based on what we've seen to date. 

[Pancake Bear]

2 hours ago, Trendon said:

I don’t think it’s a new thing, I think it’s just the same thing from Friday.

Adames was listed as a “trade target” by Bowden in that same piece.

You're right. I was looking at the larger thing he wrote and wasn't paying attention to the trade targets list. 

[Pancake Bear]

The Lion is tweeting again. Just cause I know how much you all love him:

 

 

[Pancake Bear]

Re: Tim Anderson: I'm assuming Perry read the same Rosenthal article the rest of us did and said, "Anderson is available?" and called up whoever the heck is running the White Sox these days to see how much he'll cost. At which point the White Sox said, "WTH, dude? Why would we trade Tim Anderson? We're trying to contend!"

[angelsnationtalk]

29 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

The Lion is tweeting again. Just cause I know how much you all love him:

 

 

Obviously, taken with a grain of salt, but this is interesting if there's any truth behind it. 

I guess the question we will find out next week is "Are the Angels going to go over the tax?"

By all means, if they do sign a top FA SS then i'm getting ready for Angels baseball in October. 

[Inside Pitch]

6 hours ago, Blarg said:

Bowden to Angels fans. 

We need a "Super Like" button, or maybe the ability to like something twice.

This was gold.

[Inside Pitch]

3 hours ago, Warfarin said:

Yeah.  Bowden doesn't really seem to know anything and just spits out random stuff.  "Angels could sign one of the top four SSs or could trade for a SS."  Yeah, okay, that's nice.  

If Bowden is talking about a player's tools or abilities, people should listen.  If he's talking about player movement or what a team should do.... People would get greater insight asking their crazy uncle what the meaning of life is after he's 97% into a 12 pack and bottle of Jack.

[Pancake Bear]

12 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

If Bowden is talking about a player's tools or abilities, people should listen.  If he's talking about player movement or what a team should do.... People would get greater insight asking their crazy uncle what the meaning of life is after he's 97% into a 12 pack and bottle of Jack.

His trade hypotheticals got torn apart by baseballtradevalues a while back when they compared his hypotheticals to their system. He does have connections, though, and I have seen him break news, but he's definitely no Passan or Rosenthal. Heck, Boob Nightengale is probably more reliable on that front.  

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

On 11/26/2022 at 12:11 PM, Angelsfan1984 said:

I’d honestly pursue someone to make stassi the backup.

I thought we would give O'Hoppe the job, he couldn't be any worse than the catchers were last year and he has the potential to do much better...

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

On 11/10/2022 at 10:27 AM, Angel Oracle said:

As great as he’s been, could be fools gold due to pitching just 156 innings the past two seasons.   Also turns 35 next season.

156 innings is perfect for a 6 man rotation. Ohtani barely threw more than that and he pitched the first and last games of the year...

[Pancake Bear]

6 minutes ago, TempeAngel said:

I think @LionInTexas is Claude and he's laughing himself to sleep everynight over you fools...

Living rent free in your head, apparently.

[RedEyeBleed]

I was listening to halo honk Rodger Lodge on my way home today and he had a dream we signed Trea Turner to a deal, so anything is possible. 

[Jason]

4 hours ago, RedEyeBleed said:

I was listening to halo honk Rodger Lodge on my way home today 

By choice?

[Dtwncbad]

5 hours ago, RedEyeBleed said:

I was listening to halo honk Rodger Lodge on my way home today and he had a dream we signed Trea Turner to a deal, so anything is possible. 

Lodge is like listening to an 11 year old Angel fan.

[Warfarin]

8 hours ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Is today April Fools Day? The Rays looking to double their payroll or what?

That'd be awesome if that happens.  1/3 of their payroll would be dedicated to one player, haha.

[Warfarin]

6 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

I thought we would give O'Hoppe the job, he couldn't be any worse than the catchers were last year and he has the potential to do much better...

So in this regard, I feel like there are a few factors to consider:

1.  He hasn't played a game above AA yet.  He looked good in the few games he played, but they were just that - a few games.  Catchers do take time to develop, probably more than other players given all the nuances involved with pitching.  I saw the promotion as more of a "we will have to add him to the 40-man roster regardless, so let's reward his nice season with a few games at the MLB level."

2.  Probably not an insignificant factor, but years of service matter a lot to FOs.  For players who haven't yet played on the team, I think as long as they are in the minors for about 3 weeks of the season, they'll avoid accruing a full year of service, which means an extra year of team control.  O'Hoppe was on the roster for a little over a week I think.  I don't know the exact number, but I am assuming they would need to keep him in the minors for about a month to ensure they get that extra year of control.  

What I am expecting to see is a backup catcher to go along with Stassi, and that as the season wears on, O'Hoppe will earn his way onto the MLB club and be installed as the starter moving forward.

[Angels 1961]

Perry just doing his job and checking in on all teams. I do believe he will get an upgrade at SS. Perry will be very aggressive his job is on the line. 

[Angelsfan1984]

7 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

I thought we would give O'Hoppe the job, he couldn't be any worse than the catchers were last year and he has the potential to do much better...

Seems close but i wouldn’t put a rookie in a season with so many variables. 

[Stradling]

10 hours ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I'd rather have Rengifo than Adames.... And I don't like Rengifo.

I’m assuming because of acquisition cost and not based on just the two players skill set?

[Taylor]

9 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

The Lion is tweeting again. Just cause I know how much you all love him:

 

 

He had me until the third tweet.

[angelsnationtalk]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I’m assuming because of acquisition cost and not based on just the two players skill set?

At first it was skillset-wise but i was wrong, I looked more into it and actually do like Adames. Great arm at SS with power.

My fault on that. 

I still don't like Rengifo though. 

[Dtwncbad]

because this is the “hot stove” thread

[Chuck]

To the question of having good depth on the bench, I'm hopeful we sign a good SS off the FA market and have Fletcher/Rengifo/Soto as the options for 2B/SS/3B and the bench. Instead of having Velazquez, Wong, Stefanic as starters should one of our starters go down. 

Soto/Rengifo/Fletcher can easily slot in at 3B and give Rendon some days off to keep him healthy and then you got a good RH bat off the bench late in the game. 

[Dtwncbad]

12 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

To the question of having good depth on the bench, I'm hopeful we sign a good SS off the FA market and have Fletcher/Rengifo/Soto as the options for 2B/SS/3B and the bench. Instead of having Velazquez, Wong, Stefanic as starters should one of our starters go down. 

Soto/Rengifo/Fletcher can easily slot in at 3B and give Rendon some days off to keep him healthy and then you got a good RH bat off the bench late in the game. 

Yes.  When you acquire a better starting player everybody moves down the depth chart improving depth.

Go get a premium SS!