Angels discussed Clevinger with Indians

[Troll Daddy]

Angels can’t afford to start the season without a legit top of the rotation pitcher imo. 

It’s now time! 

I suspect that the Indians would pass Adell straight up for Clevinger. It may take one of our top young pitchers to seal the deal. We still have Marsh and Adams. It will sting at first but at least we’re not adding $30-35M to payroll. 
Winning always makes the wounds heal quickly. 

 

[Ray McKigney]

2 hours ago, RBM said:

  "The Indians originally acquired Clevinger from the Angels in an Aug. 7, 2014, trade for reliever Vinnie Pestano."

Every time I think about this, I get so depressed.

[tdawg87]

7 minutes ago, Ray McKigney said:

Every time I think about this, I get so depressed.

I think about choking babies every time I am reminded of Jerry Dipoto's existence.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

I was on the “I would trade Jo for Clevinger” train for awhile but at this point, Clevinger doesn’t put us as WS contenders IMO. I’d rather see what we have with Adell and go from there. If Adell is the real deal; that makes Marsh and/or Adams that much more expendable for a frontline starter. A future lineup of Adell, Trout, Rendon, Ohtani is too good to pass up 

[Billy_Ball]

 

[totdprods]

I’m as open-minded as can be when it comes to trading prospects and would deal Adell if the right scenario came up, but, there’s something really unnerving and unappealing about dealing him for Clevinger given that he was once an Angels prospect. Just can’t do it.

If it was a pure one-for-one, I’d think about it, but surely Cleveland will demand (and deserve) more. 

Still think prices will drop enough that they get someone good by Opening Day without giving up Adell and perhaps even Marsh.

[ten ocho recon scout]

7 hours ago, Ray McKigney said:

Every time I think about this, I get so depressed.

Throw Reagins in here, too. Imagine where the last decade could have been if we hadnt traded clevinger for pestano (1 year?), but also corbins and skaggs for 2 good years of haren, and segura for 2 months of grienke.

 

[Taylor]

9 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

What do you base that on? Legitimate question, not implying I think you're wrong.

He's only pitched a full season once in his career. Last year, he missed over two months with back issues. 

[Lou]

8 hours ago, Ray McKigney said:

Every time I think about this, I get so depressed.

You should eat more carne asada

[stormngt]

10 hours ago, RBM said:

Angels interested in trade for Clevinger (sources)

 

 

 

By Jon Paul Morosi  @jonmorosi

January 5, 2020

 

"The Indians originally acquired Clevinger from the Angels in an Aug. 7, 2014, trade for reliever Vinnie Pestano."

 

F'n Dumbshito

[Erstad Grit]

The good in here is Angels know they still need a Frontline SP

[Angel Oracle]

13 hours ago, Φαήλος said:

Get bent Jerry Dipoto

How dare you demean the great Vinnie Pestano.

[Angel Oracle]

The Halos do now have the guy who helped develop Clevinger, along with Bauer, Kluber, etc.

I eagerly await how much this pitching staff improves under Callaway.

[CanadianHalo]

This is just Eppler trying to save face and can now say “hey at least I tried” when he’s trying to justify another losing season to Arte. 

[floplag]

Hindsight is always 20/20, but as others have said at the time of the trade he wasnt projected to be what he is, not even close so dwelling on that seems pointless.
My issues with him are simple, durability.
He has only pitched over 125 innings only once in 4 years in the bigs and that was 2 years ago missing significant time in both the season before and after.  Back problems dont tend to go away.
While he may be an ace when out there, he isnt out there enough to justify losing your top prospect, once of the top 5 in the entire game, PLUS more.
I get Cle asking for that, but they are going to have to come way down for that to fly.

[failos]

9 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I think about choking babies every time I am reminded of Jerry Dipoto's existence.

Same

[Lou]

1 hour ago, CanadianHalo said:

This is just Eppler trying to save face and can now say “hey at least I tried” when he’s trying to justify another losing season to Arte. 

go away 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

How dare you demean the great Vinnie Pestano.

Titan 

[Ochocinco!]

10 hours ago, Bronson said:

I think something along the lines of Marsh, Sandoval, Rengifo and Barria/Thaiss would be enough to get it done. I just don't think Billy wants to give up that much prospect capitol.

Wrong. Any deal starts with Adell

[jordan]

Yep. If I were Cleveland, I would not take any deal without Adell.

[jordan]

The part of this I find interesting is the Bauer part. I’m sure Bauer would be more inclined to come to the Angels if his buddy Clevinger is here. Ohtani, Clevinger, Bauer, Heaney, Bundy for 2021 would be pretty legit.  

[floplag]

Seems clear that none of us are wild about Adell, so i guess the question is what WOULD you trade for him?

I thought early in the off season we matched up well with them due to their need at 2B but that all kinda went south when the signed Hernandez.    Rengifo can play SS so maybe thats still a fit if they deal Lindor or might make that an easier pill to swallow.

Per this article their other need was corner OF, https://www.mlb.com/indians/news/indians-offseason-needs-and-moves, now they could go bring back Puig but i dont think they want to... could go get Castellanos but i havent heard them in those talks, so they seem to wan a younger options there.  Now if it isnt going to be Adell, Marsh is the next logical choice but is he ready enough?

So what do you think would actually make sense here, if anything?  I kinda feel like if they trade Lindor they are somewhat punting for 20, so maybe a guy that can step right in opening day isnt that required.  They wont admit that but, is kinda hard to ignore when you trade Kluber, Lindor, and possibly Clevinger that you are doing at least a mini rebuild.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

13 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

I guess I find it mildly amusing when fans get worked up that trading for Clevinger would create a different deficiency in having a thinner farm.

The farm was so horrible and so devoid of talent for such a long time that I understand this. You don't want to trade the future for the past.

There was a trailer on MLB Network this morning that implies that a Clevinger-to-Angels deal isn't dead.

As far as trading him for the immortal Vinnie Pestano and looking at what he has become, remember who the Angels' pitching coach was then. He might have come up and flamed out without amounting to anything.

[VariousCrap]

No way should the Angels trade Adell for Clevinger.

[Second Base]

I think the best thing to take away here is simply that Eppler is discussing acquiring more starting pitching and he has his eyes set on upside.

This tells me he's at least aware of the needs of the team and doesn't believe the Angels are good right where they're at.