The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[BTH]

6 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I remember telling you all that you'd end up disappointed... 

I'm not disappointed right now. I will be disappointed if they don't add another SP and don't add quality relievers to the bullpen.

[Chuck]

One thing that Maria Torres from the LA Times is full of shit on is that we don't have the "prospect capital" to make a trade and that all of our prospects pose too much risk. 

What a load of shit. If you look at some of these prospect packages that were sent off for legit starting pitchers, most of them did not include a Top-100 prospect and while you could argue that the Padres #10 prospect is better than our #5 prospect, every one of those prospects dealt posed an F'n risk. No prospects are a sure thing. 

The LA Slimes can suck it. 

[ukyah]

all of these posters acting like bauer just signed with the mets. i haven't seen that yet, have i missed it?

no, i haven't.

when he signs, then we'll know.

[Vlad27Trout27]

With reports of Tanaka going back to Japan, Odorizzi is the best free agent left.

Sign Odorizzi to a 2/3 yr contract worth roughly/around 12-14 mil a year. 

Sign Rosenthal 1/2 yrs

Than take a shot on a minor league deal with Edwards, Foltynewicz and/or Hamels 

 

In season make a big trade. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, ukyah said:

all of these posters acting like bauer just signed with the mets. i haven't seen that yet, have i missed it?

no, i haven't.

when he signs, then we'll know.

And I'm not sure why trading Steven Matz signals anything. He's mediocre at best and has just one year of control left.

So fatalistic, here.

[Vlad27Trout27]

 

[BTH]

I think a number of fans, myself included, are OK with the Angels adding a mid rotation SP, a quality reliever or two, and a stop-gap RF.

The question is, do the Angels actually have the money to add those players? @Jeff Fletcher?

[Docwaukee]

Matz is overrated and has underachieved.  Mets still have Peterson and Lucchesi even without Bauer.  Granted, Bauer would be a nice upgrade but losing Matz doesn't change much for them.  They already had extra rotation depth and smartly dumped Matz who isn't all that good for three major league or near major league ready arms all of whom have some upside.  

If they add Bauer they'll have done a nice job of spending their way to a really good team.  Yet even if they don't, they're still very good.  

[Chuck]

I think the only top guys available via trade are German Marquez, Kyle Hendricks or Sonny Gray. 

I would push really hard for Marquez or Hendricks as Gray will cost more IMO since they already lost Bauer and from what I understand they still want to compete in the NL Central. 

Marquez and Hendricks on teams trending toward a rebuild. 

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Matz is overrated and has underachieved.  Mets still have Peterson and Lucchesi even without Bauer.  Granted, Bauer would be a nice upgrade but losing Matz doesn't change much for them.  They already had extra rotation depth and smartly dumped Matz who isn't all that good for three major league or near major league ready arms all of whom have some upside.  

If they add Bauer they'll have done a nice job of spending their way to a really good team.  Yet even if they don't, they're still very good.  

Yeah and like I said, he has just one year of control left so might as well get what you can for him.

Not saying they won't get Bauer, but everyone acting like it was the precursor to that happening is kind of silly. 

[ScottT]

All of them

Everyone

Sounds like a political discussion 

[CoolOutB]

I read Sonny Gray alot but not sold Cincy would just hang it up in the NL Central which like the AL West seems weaker on paper. 
 

Jon Gray on the other hand from the Rocks I may believe. Not sure it’s better than anything out in the market unless you can bring another piece with it to fill a hole. Márquez suggestions seem like the Castillo thoughts earlier in the off season and would wipe out the farm. Not sure our new GM is ready for all in mode, in his first year. 

 

 

[Inside Pitch]

18 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Matz is overrated and has underachieved.  Mets still have Peterson and Lucchesi even without Bauer.  Granted, Bauer would be a nice upgrade but losing Matz doesn't change much for them.  They already had extra rotation depth and smartly dumped Matz who isn't all that good for three major league or near major league ready arms all of whom have some upside.  

If they add Bauer they'll have done a nice job of spending their way to a really good team.  Yet even if they don't, they're still very good.  

Matz is as big of a wild card as Rodon, Moore, or Archer -- or Walker and his questionable medicals.  I was for trying Moore last year when he went to Japan, If they didn't need to focus on safe I'd  be hard on him this year.

But you're 100% right, Matz for all the hype is mostly overrated or unrealized potential at this poiint.  

 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

If Bauer is out of the picture, there better be a trade lines up for a top of the rotation arm. 

[beatlesrule]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/angels-not-expected-to-pursue-trevor-bauer.html

Pretty much the nail in the coffin when MLBTR reports it.

[wopphil]

What about Ozuna if the price is right (2/30)? If we aren’t going to suppress runs, might as well score them. 

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

One thing that Maria Torres from the LA Times is full of shit on is that we don't have the "prospect capital" to make a trade and that all of our prospects pose too much risk. 

What a load of shit. If you look at some of these prospect packages that were sent off for legit starting pitchers, most of them did not include a Top-100 prospect and while you could argue that the Padres #10 prospect is better than our #5 prospect, every one of those prospects dealt posed an F'n risk. No prospects are a sure thing. 

The LA Slimes can suck it. 

The LA Slimes fellates the Dogs, no surprise.

[angelsnationtalk]

3 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

If Bauer is out of the picture, there better be a trade lines up for a top of the rotation arm. 

With what farm? Gray is pretty much off the list with the Reds feeling like they can compete.
Marquez is a pipe dream and Hendricks would likely cost too much. Besides, the Cubs have the second worst pitching staff according to Fangraphs. Do we really think they'll trade another starter? Not happening. 

[angelsnationtalk]

1 minute ago, wopphil said:

What about Ozuna if the price is right (2/30)? If we aren’t going to suppress runs, might as well score them. 

Didn't we say that last season? If I remember correctly, there were quite a few games where both teams scored 6+ runs and we still lost.

[tdawg87]

9 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/angels-not-expected-to-pursue-trevor-bauer.html

Pretty much the nail in the coffin when MLBTR reports it.

It's sourcing the same article. Not a nail in anything.

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

With what farm? Gray is pretty much off the list with the Reds feeling like they can compete.
Marquez is a pipe dream and Hendricks would likely cost too much. Besides, the Cubs have the second worst pitching staff according to Fangraphs. Do we really think they'll trade another starter? Not happening. 

What do you mean with what farm?  

[beatlesrule]

6 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

It's sourcing the same article. Not a nail in anything.

They post articles that are credible and that they've fact checked. Very rare for them to post an article that bears no merit.

[Stradling]

Trade simulator has Marsh and Hendricks having the exact same trade value of 37.5.  So he can be acquired on an overpay of Marsh and Detmers.  Or Marsh and Sandoval. 

[angelsnationtalk]

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

What do you mean with what farm?  

FarmVille... jk

I know we have tradable pieces (Marsh/Adams), but what I don't like is what's left after that. Angels are still in a position where they're growing their farm talent. 

Spending more this season looks a hell of a lot better than trading Marsh away IMO. Come 2022 and Upton has 1yr left on his contract it could be wide open for Marsh to start getting serious reps. 

Sandoval/Barria MAYBE are moveable but i wouldn't touch Detmers/Rodriguez/Kochanowicz. The Angels finally have young SP talent with huge upside that they can develop. 

[Bronson]

I could just see Arte looking at these reports that they can’t afford Bauer and taking it personally. With his ego, he could just go fuck it and get him just to shove it.