THE Official 2019-2020 Hot Stove Thread

[tdawg87]

But.... don't we want Cleveland to keep Lindor so we have a shot at Kluber?

[Second Base]

Jon Gray would be fantastic as the second pitcher the Angels get, and maybe good enough as the first pitcher. The problem is, the Rockies aren't interested in trading him. 

You can't force a team to trade it's good pitching away, no matter how much you want it. Gray, Kluber and Darvish are mainly who I'm talking about. 

Other teams have the Angels in a bit of a bind here. They need two very good starting pitchers otherwise their 2020 season is sunk before it even begins. They only have so much money to spend, so filling both holes via free agency doesn't seem entirely possible. The Angels need to compete and they need other teams pitchers to do it. 

The Indians and Red Sox are logical trade partners, in that they have pitchers and a need to reduce payroll, but they can still ask for the moon and the stars for their pitchers and the Angels really won't have much of a choice but to pay it. 

There had to be a perfect mixture of things in order for a trade to happen here. The other team needs to either be in a non-competitive situation, or able to compete without this specific pitcher. That pitcher needs to be an ace or mid rotation starter. That pitcher also should have more than one year remaining left on his contract, and a willingness to waive a NTC if it's present. The Angels have the need, but must also have the prospects and willingness to spend those prospects. And those prospects need to be of the variety that another team wants. The Padres as an example aren't going to want low upside SP prospects in AA. That does them no good. 

There isn't a single pitcher that fits that situation perfectly. The closest is probably David Price. But if the Sox know the Angels have no choice but to pay the premium, and would like to, but are not required to, drop beneath the luxury tax, they can wait it out until the Angels are forced to take on more of Price's contact AND offer better prospects. 

[Pancake Bear]

15 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

Padres definitely have the prospects to get the deal done. The original source [Boor] is  verified by the Indians’ mods. Inside the thread, another dude is claiming the Padres are offering up their #3, #8, #25 prospects plus one more. 
 

would love to see the dodgers get fucked out for Lindor. 

Why would they trade for Lindor? They have Tatis and Machado.

[Second Base]

16 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

Padres definitely have the prospects to get the deal done. The original source [Boor] is  verified by the Indians’ mods. Inside the thread, another dude is claiming the Padres are offering up their #3, #8, #25 prospects plus one more. 
 

would love to see the dodgers get fucked out for Lindor. 

@tdawg87 it's highly unlikely the Padres are discussing Lindor. They need upside starting pitching. 

The more the Padres offer, the more screwed the Angels are here. 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

13 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Why would they trade for Lindor? They have Tatis and Machado.

Maybe to put him at 2nd? Idk just found it interesting. The Padres did say they were ready to trade their prospects to take the next step. Padres are also looking at Bumgarner and Keuchel. 

[Second Base]

If there Padres are offering Patino, Baez and Arias, then there's quite literally nothing the Angels can do to counter that. Patino is better than everyone in the Angels system not named Adell. And just in case the Indians were stupid and we're somehow more intrigued by Rengifo or Sandoval than Patino, adding Baez, who works either in the rotation or relief in the mid to upper-90's is a great equalizer. And Arias, is a solid prospect that will be a major leaguer. 

In order to match that, not exceed it but dimply stay in there conversation, the Angels would need to offer Canning, Sandoval and Jahmai Jones.  That's not a good trade for the Angels to make in their current situation. 

If that's truly what the Padres are offering for Kluber, then they control this market and the Angels are basically at their whim.

[Fullmer17]

18 minutes ago, Second Base said:

If there Padres are offering Patino, Baez and Arias, then there's quite literally nothing the Angels can do to counter that. Patino is better than everyone in the Angels system not named Adell. And just in case the Indians were stupid and we're somehow more intrigued by Rengifo or Sandoval than Patino, adding Baez, who works either in the rotation or relief in the mid to upper-90's is a great equalizer. And Arias, is a solid prospect that will be a major leaguer. 

In order to match that, not exceed it but dimply stay in there conversation, the Angels would need to offer Canning, Sandoval and Jahmai Jones.  That's not a good trade for the Angels to make in their current situation. 

If that's truly what the Padres are offering for Kluber, then they control this market and the Angels are basically at their whim.

Those Padre prospects are for the Lindor rumor. 

[Pancake Bear]

6 minutes ago, Fullmer17 said:

Those Padre prospects are for the Lindor rumor. 

Again, why would they be trading for Lindor? Who is moving to second? Tatis?

[Fullmer17]

5 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Again, why would they be trading for Lindor? Who is moving to second? Tatis?

I have no idea. Just saying that those names from the Padres were based on the Lindor rumor. 

[Docwaukee]

2 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

Grandal to White Sox!

seriously though.  Can you imagine our lineup with Grandal in there?  

[AngelStew43]

So far, Darvish won't waive the no-trade.  I still hope we're in on Bumgarner.  Bundy and Bumgarner would improve our rotation at least to the point of being competitive.  A step up from Sandoval and Canning and we'd be right there.

[Vlad27Trout27]

The way it's going, i think we'll get one of Ryu,Bum or kechuel. Than take a chance with one of the starter's that were non tendered

[Tank]

12 hours ago, Lou said:

have they extended Rico Brogna yet?

That’s next up for them.

 

Have to take care of Enos Cabell first.

[Second Base]

11 hours ago, Fullmer17 said:

Those Padre prospects are for the Lindor rumor. 

You might wanna recheck that.

[Stax]

I would like to keep the prospects the Angels have. Sign Keuchel and Bumgarner to short term contracts, 3 or 4 years, and draft a college pitcher in the first round in the next draft, JT Ginn, and hope he, Chris Rodriguez or Jose  Soriano will be ready when Keuchel or Bumgarner contact expire.      

[wopphil]

I like the idea of signing Keuchel. He is not a top of the rotation guy, but he also better than what he gets credit for. He would slot in nicely behind Kluber and Ohtani.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

 

 

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[tdawg87]

@Jeff Fletcher pls

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, mymerlincat said:

 

What does this mean? 

[Angelsfan1984]

They are putting together an elite infield defense. That will make pitchers like keuchel look good 

[Pancake Bear]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

What does this mean? 

It means they just realized the Angels aren’t going to lose 90 games in 2020 and they have a tip top infield defense and lineup. This makes them a more desirable landing spot than previously thought. 

[tdawg87]

Sign Keuchel pls

[eligrba]

5 minutes ago, mymerlincat said:

 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

Keuchel and Ryu come on down.