Las Vegas Shooting

[nate]

3 minutes ago, TSD said:

This is blatantly untrue.  I've been to dozens of shows and have never seen one, and without the proper background check and Federal stamp (that takes almost a year) you wouldn't be able to buy one.

Guns are extremely restricted in most of Europe, so terrorists just cut people's throats, blow stuff up, and drive large trucks through crowds.  Would you prefer that?

The problem is crazy people.  We live in a world where many don't have access to mental health care, violence is glorified (thanks Hollywood), and people have 100 facebook friends but in reality are isolated in their own little world.

Literally everyone had guns where I grew up.  In my entire town of about 1200 there was never a murder for the 22 years I lived there.  Never even heard of someone pointing a gun at another person.

We have a cultural problem. A sick, Godless, I'll do whatever I feel like culture.

The murder rate in the US is that of a third world country.

Also, you can google how to change a semi-automatic weapon to an automatic weapon and find plenty of youtube videos or suggestions on what to ask at gun shows.

[Mark68]

Here's the question I often ponder:

Why is it that these worthless fuckers have to take so many out before they die? Do us all a favor and just put a revolver up to your head and pull the trigger. Why do you need to kill so many others before your end comes?

[UndertheHalo]

Also. LoLz at the "I guess it would be better if they slit people's throats". You fucking genius.  I don't care what kind of ninja you are.  A crazy person with a knife isn't doing the same kind of damage as a person with a rifle. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

2 minutes ago, TSD said:

We have a cultural problem. A sick, Godless, I'll do whatever I feel like culture.

To me this is the biggest issue.  I'm completely fine with average Joe's not having automatic rifles or high capacity magazines but I watch the news and read articles about the things some people do and I think we've gone off the rails in some ways as a society.  I realize that 20 years ago we didn't hear about every little thing because of where the internet/reporting was but these days people would rather stand around with a cell phone and be the first one to record a video rather than stopping someone from getting beaten, robbed or worse.  Some people flat out just don't give a **** about doing wrong to others and/or watching something done to others that is wrong while they laugh at it.    

[red321]

1 minute ago, Mark68 said:

Here's the question I often ponder:

Why is it that these worthless fuckers have to take so many out before they die? Do us all a favor and just put a revolver up to your head and pull the trigger. Why do you need to kill so many others before your end comes?

freedom

[UndertheHalo]

Why does it have anything to do with God.  Oh man, if only this guy had moar Jesus in his life.  Good fucking grief .

[gotbeer]

5 minutes ago, nate said:

Lol.

Anyway, fully automatic weapons are legal in Nevada.

Las Vegas gun laws: How easy is it to buy guns in Nevada? Very

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Fully automatic weapons are illegal across the US, unless they were purchased and registered prior to 1986. 

 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

2 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

Here's the question I often ponder:

Why is it that these worthless fuckers have to take so many out before they die? Do us all a favor and just put a revolver up to your head and pull the trigger. Why do you need to kill so many others before your end comes?

Why does someone kill their wife and kids before offing themselves?  Why does someone kill an ex before taking their own life?  Anyone who will do harm to others before offing themselves has some kind of mental issues and is a selfish.  How they got to that point can be debated to death.   

[cez]

3 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

She describes herself on Facebook as VP and Senior Counsel at CBS. I wonder if there will be any consequences. No comment from the network so far.

 

i'm pretty political, but i don't understand how anybody's mind could go there. i just don't. most of them were probably republicans?  seriously, you inhuman pos?

[Thomas]

8 minutes ago, nate said:

Anyway, fully automatic weapons are legal in Nevada.

You do know the federal requirements and restrictions for automatic firearms in this country regardless of state, right?

[nate]

Just now, Thomas said:

You do know the federal requirements and restrictions for automatic firearms in this country regardless of state, right?

Unless the gun was purchased prior to 1980 or something, then it can be bought and sold privately no problem.

[Thomas]

Just now, nate said:

Unless the gun was purchased prior to 1980 or something, then it can be bought and sold privately no problem.

I take it as no, you don't know. Understood.

[gotbeer]

4 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Also. LoLz at the "I guess it would be better if they slit people's throats". You fucking genius.  I don't care what kind of ninja you are.  A crazy person with a knife isn't doing the same kind of damage as a person with a rifle. 

China mass stabbing: Deadly knife attack in Kunming

 

[AngelsFaninGA]

2 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

To me this is the biggest issue.  I'm completely fine with average Joe's not having automatic rifles or high capacity magazines but I watch the news and read articles about the things some people do and I think we've gone off the rails in some ways as a society.  I realize that 20 years ago we didn't hear about every little thing because of where the internet/reporting was but these days people would rather stand around with a cell phone and be the first one to record a video rather than stopping someone from getting beaten, robbed or worse.  Some people flat out just don't give a **** about doing wrong to others and/or watching something done to others that is wrong while they laugh at it.    

We have an inherently violent culture compared to many other countries, which is ingrained through participation in pretty much every major conflict throughout the last century and glorification of violence in the media. The gun ownership is a symptom of the culture. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

1 minute ago, GOPSnowflakesHateCezero said:

i'm pretty political, but i don't understand how anybody's mind could go there. i just don't. most of them were probably republicans?  seriously, you inhuman pos?

The only people's mind that could go there are the fringe element on either side that give the majority a bad name.   

[TSD]

7 minutes ago, nate said:

Lol.

Anyway, fully automatic weapons are legal in Nevada.

Lol?  Nothing funny about this.  You're spewing BS and we're trying to have a reasonable discussion about what is clearly a serious problem in this country.  I don't want semi autos banned but obviously you can't have this continuing either.  Your position is clear but please don't spread lies.  It's time for an honest conversation in this country but that means no more rhetoric or exaggerations from either side.  Guns are not evil, people are.  But you don't need to defend your home against a small army either.  There is a middle ground.

Actual FACTS:  Full autos are "legal" in almost every state.  But you can only buy ones that were made before 1986, and they cost at least 20 grand each for a rifle.  I doubt this guy had gone through the years of background checks and shelled out 200k or more for the ten he evidently had.  You CAN NOT buy any class 3 item at a gun show.  You could put money down, then get it 9 months or more later if you pass all checks.

[UndertheHalo]

I don't think it matters that much whether you can get what is technically an "automatic" weapon. 

Semi autos are plenty dangerous and shoot large caliber rounds plenty fast.  and it's easy to get them. 

[TSD]

2 minutes ago, nate said:

Unless the gun was purchased prior to 1980 or something, then it can be bought and sold privately no problem.

Wrong.

You have strong opinions on something which you clearly don't know the facts about.

[Make Angels Great Again]

11 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

As if your experience in some little town is indicative of jack shit.

You might be the most awful poster on this forum.  

 

Way to be an asshole.

[nate]

2 minutes ago, Thomas said:

I take it as no, you don't know. Understood.

Maybe you don't.

Nevada law does not require firearms owners to have licenses, register their weapons, or limits the number of firearms an individual posses. Automatic assault weapons and machine guns are also legal in the state as long as they are registered and are possessed in adherence to federal law, according to the National Rifle Association.

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-gun-laws-open-carry-concealed-weapon-machine-guns-all-legal-nevada-675310

[Thomas]

Just now, nate said:

Maybe you don't.

Nevada law does not require firearms owners to have licenses, register their weapons, or limits the number of firearms an individual posses. Automatic assault weapons and machine guns are also legal in the state as long as they are registered and are possessed in adherence to federal law, according to the National Rifle Association.

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-gun-laws-open-carry-concealed-weapon-machine-guns-all-legal-nevada-675310

You um, ignored the federal part of the response.

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, gotbeer said:

China mass stabbing: Deadly knife attack in Kunming

 

Yea I know about this.  But how often does this happen vs.  guns ? Im not arguing that knives are not dangerous.  I'm saying that it isn't nearly the same threat. And I think you know this GB.  The weapons are not equals. 

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Way to be an asshole.

Ha.  Coming from you.  I take this as a compliment. 

[fan_since79]

11 minutes ago, nate said:

The murder rate in the US is that of a third world country.

Also, you can google how to change a semi-automatic weapon to an automatic weapon and find plenty of youtube videos or suggestions on what to ask at gun shows.

We're not even in the top 50.

According to this list, we're 99th in the world.

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

[nate]

4 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

China mass stabbing: Deadly knife attack in Kunming

 

US murder rate per 100k 4.88

China murder rate per 100k 0.74