Las Vegas Shooting

[nate]

1 minute ago, fan_since79 said:

We're not even in the top 50.

According to this list, we're 99th in the world.

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

And the countries above the US?  third world.

[Mark68]

For those of you who possess virtual arsenals at home, why is that so? What are you protecting yourself from? If you're protecting yourself from "government tyranny", I've got news for you. Your AR-15 won't do jack-shit against a tank or a drone dropping a present on your house.

So you have to ask yourself, "why do I have these weapons"?

[TSD]

11 minutes ago, nate said:

The murder rate in the US is that of a third world country.

Also, you can google how to change a semi-automatic weapon to an automatic weapon and find plenty of youtube videos or suggestions on what to ask at gun shows.

If you look at the murder rate outside of big liberal cities, the US is actually very safe.  

15 cities over 100000 residents that voted for Obama by the largest margin:

- Detroit, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Gary, Indiana - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Berkeley, California - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Washington, DC - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Oakland, California - 16 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Inglewood, California - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Newark, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Cambridge, Massachusetts - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- San Francisco, California - 7 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Flint, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Cleveland, Ohio - 14 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Hartford, Connecticut - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Paterson, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Baltimore, Maryland - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- New Haven, Connecticut - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents


The national average is four violent crimes/1,000 residents. Every one of the 15 most liberal cities in the US has a higher violent crime rate than the national average. Twelve of the 15 have a violent crime rate that is at least double the national average. Two of them have a violent crime rate that is six times the national average.


The 15 most conservative cities in the US:


- Provo, Utah - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Lubbock, Texas - 9 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Abilene, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Hialeah, Florida - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Plano, Texas - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Colorado Springs, Colorado - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Gilbert, Arizona - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents
- Bakersfield, California - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Lafayette, Louisiana - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Orange, California - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents
- Escondido, California - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Allentown, Pennsylvania - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Mesa, Arizona - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Arlington, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Peoria, Arizona - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents

 

[Thomas]

3 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Yea I know about this.  But how often does this happen vs.  guns ? Im not arguing that knives are not dangerous.  I'm saying that it isn't nearly the same threat. And I think you know this GB.  The weapons are not equals. 

The deadliest (non-military) mass killing in this country still is a bombing. I worry regardless of the gun situation it's going to become popular again in this country.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

3 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

We have an inherently violent culture compared to many other countries, which is ingrained through participation in pretty much every major conflict throughout the last century and glorification of violence in the media. The gun ownership is a symptom of the culture. 

Gun ownership has been on decline since the 70's and gun ownership has been a thing since before we were officially a country so I don't quite agree with it being a symptom of an inherently violent culture today.  I also don't know if I can pin the blame for what's going on in Chicago and other cities riddled with gun violence on the conflicts the country has been involved in.  I'm not saying it doesn't play a part but I think somewhere along the lines some people just became desensitized and frankly I think technology has something to do with it.      

[UndertheHalo]

Look at the countries in front of us man.  It's pretty sorry.  Western industrialized countries are far safer then the US.  Even Egypt ranked higher. 

[AngelsFaninGA]

2 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

We're not even in the top 50.

According to this list, we're 99th in the world.

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

Pretty much every country above us is either in Africa or South/Central America, so he's pretty much right. 

[red321]

9 minutes ago, GOPSnowflakesHateCezero said:

i'm pretty political, but i don't understand how anybody's mind could go there. i just don't. most of them were probably republicans?  seriously, you inhuman pos?

I wouldn't wish having to go through what people had to go through last night on anyone...but I might be willing to make an exception

[TSD]

6 minutes ago, nate said:

Maybe you don't.

Nevada law does not require firearms owners to have licenses, register their weapons, or limits the number of firearms an individual posses. Automatic assault weapons and machine guns are also legal in the state as long as they are registered and are possessed in adherence to federal law, according to the National Rifle Association.

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-gun-laws-open-carry-concealed-weapon-machine-guns-all-legal-nevada-675310

You claimed the can be bought and sold privately (false) and that they can be bought at gun shows (also false).

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

11 minutes ago, GOPSnowflakesHateCezero said:

i'm pretty political, but i don't understand how anybody's mind could go there. i just don't. most of them were probably republicans?  seriously, you inhuman pos?

 

When your side often paints right wingers as less than human bigots it becomes more common than you think.

 

You stupid fuck.

[fan_since79]

from NBC:

Eric Paddock said his brother was retired and was "just a guy" who went to the hotels, gambled, and went to shows.

Stephen Paddock's brother Bruce Paddock, who lives in California, said his family grew up in Sun Valley, California. Their father, Benjamin Paddock, was on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted list for robbing banks.

 

Yeah, "just a guy".

[Thomas]

4 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

For those of you who possess virtual arsenals at home, why is that so? What are you protecting yourself from? If you're protecting yourself from "government tyranny", I've got news for you. Your AR-15 won't do jack-shit against a tank or a drone dropping a present on your house.

So you have to ask yourself, "why do I have these weapons"?

I believe this is a quote from Gen. Westmoreland

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

For those of you who possess virtual arsenals at home, why is that so? What are you protecting yourself from? If you're protecting yourself from "government tyranny", I've got news for you. Your AR-15 won't do jack-shit against a tank or a drone dropping a present on your house.

So you have to ask yourself, "why do I have these weapons"?

Freedom bro.  

Also, in case the blacks or Muslims come for them. 

[red321]

2 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

When your side often paints right wingers as less than human bigots it becomes more common than you think.

 

You stupid fuck.

somewhere irony just got hit in the head with an anvil

[TSD]

22 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Hey ! The guy that thinks black people are genetically dumb. 

As if your experience in some little town is indicative of jack shit.

You might be the most awful poster on this forum.  

If by awful you mean "points out undeniable facts liberals hate" then yes, and proud of it.

Refer to my post a few up then answer me this:  why are there very few shootings in conservative redneck country even though everyone has guns, and why are liberal big city utopias death zones?  Maybe, just maybe it's not the guns, it's the people and how they use them.

[AngelsFaninGA]

1 minute ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Gun ownership has been on decline since the 70's and gun ownership has been a thing since before we were officially a country so I don't quite agree with it being a symptom of an inherently violent culture today.  I also don't know if I can pin the blame for what's going on in Chicago and other cities riddled with gun violence on the conflicts the country has been involved in.  I'm not saying it doesn't play a part but I think somewhere along the lines some people just became desensitized and frankly I think technology has something to do with it.      

I definitely agree with the technology aspect. In the developed world we've become inundated with so much information, most of it fake or blatantly biased, and that, coupled with all of the social media and the stress it creates, has probably led to a lot of undiagnosed mental illness, which then leads to incidents such as this. 

I also find it interesting that the further you venture outside of the major cities in the US, such as places like Mesquite, Nevada, the more likely you are to run into the crazies. Meanwhile I've been to third world countries like Sudan and Myanmar and all the locals living in the country are actually quite friendly, likely because they don't get inundated with media like we do. Despite their higher crime rates, people in these countries seem to commit crimes over a battle for scarce resources, In the US, we commit crimes that almost seem to be caused by the opposite reason.  

[Make Angels Great Again]

3 minutes ago, red321 said:

somewhere irony just got hit in the head with an anvil

 

Ok

[TSD]

21 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Why does it have anything to do with God.  Oh man, if only this guy had moar Jesus in his life.  Good fucking grief .

As this country has become more Godless, we've become more violent.  Vioence is even glorified and fed to our kids by stupid parents.  Don't worry, we're barreling towards a Godless liberal utopia.  Just like Stalin's Russian, and Mao's paradise they will take guns at some point. Us durn redneck Christians will be extinct and you'll be happy..for a short time.

[UndertheHalo]

4 minutes ago, TSD said:

If by awful you mean "points out undeniable facts liberals hate" then yes, and proud of it.

Refer to my post a few up then answer me this:  why are there very few shootings in conservative redneck country even though everyone has guns, and why are liberal big city utopias death zones?  Maybe, just maybe it's not the guns, it's the people and how they use them.

Maybe because you're comparing apples and oranges.  Urban inner cities have gangs.  Gangs are a function of poverty.  There is a distinction between gang violence and incidents like last night.  There is a difference between the people.  One group is fucking poor. 

You cant compare Orange California or Albeline Texas to Los Angeles or Chicago and expect to make a legitimate point. 

[TSD]

3 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

I definitely agree with the technology aspect. In the developed world we've become inundated with so much information, most of it fake or blatantly biased, and that, coupled with all of the social media and the stress it creates, has probably led to a lot of undiagnosed mental illness, which then leads to incidents such as this. 

I also find it interesting that the further you venture outside of the major cities in the US, such as places like Mesquite, Nevada, the more likely you are to run into the crazies. Meanwhile I've been to third world countries like Sudan and Myanmar and all the locals living in the country are actually quite friendly, likely because they don't get inundated with media like we do. Despite their higher crime rates, people in these countries seem to commit crimes over a battle for scarce resources, In the US, we commit crimes that almost seem to be caused by the opposite reason.  

I can go to the Hollywood walk of fame and see more crazies in 10 minutes than I'd see in a literal lifetime of being in the small town I grew up in.

A couple states like Nevada and Montana attract crazy survival types but they're the rare exception to your typical American good ole' boy who would give you the shirt off his back.

[fan_since79]

Shooter's brother said he was wealthy and could afford anything he wanted. He played $100-a-hand poker, went on cruises, etc.

He probably had his suite at the hotel comped as he was a "high roller" and frequented the casinos.

CNN has video here of the moments when the shooting first started.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-attack-stephen-paddock-trnd/index.html

[gotbeer]

21 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Yea I know about this.  But how often does this happen vs.  guns ? Im not arguing that knives are not dangerous.  I'm saying that it isn't nearly the same threat. And I think you know this GB.  The weapons are not equals. 

Guns are for the lazy, which is perfect for most of these mass shooting Americans.  If you really wanted to cause damage, you would go the McVey route or a number of other routes.

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, TSD said:

I can go to the Hollywood walk of fame and see more crazies in 10 minutes than I'd see in a literal lifetime of being in the small town I grew up in.

A couple states like Nevada and Montana attract crazy survival types but they're the rare exception to your typical American good ole' boy who would give you the shirt off his back.

Unless you're black.  Or Muslim.  Or not Christian. 

See how stupid that is.  What the fuck is a "good ole boy" and how on earth would you know about their charity. 

[Thomas]

I do worry about social media adding an unrealistic portrait of how well everybody else is doing (since who posts their less glamorous moments?) only adding to the problems.

I do think the biggest difference in this country versus most other "western" countries is the far greater economic differences between the haves and the have-nots and (relative) recent governmental discrimination to certain groups and classes.

[TSD]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

Maybe because you're comparing apples and oranges.  Urban inner cities have gangs.  Gangs are a function of poverty.  There is a distinction between gang violence and incidents like last night.  There is a difference between the people.  One group is fucking poor. 

You cant compare Orange California or Albeline Texas to Los Angeles or Chicago and expect to make a legitimate point. 

...as long as you want to lump the 99.999% of law abiding gun owners in with nutcases I'd say it's fair.I know many people who own ARs and the like.  I don't have any particular use for them but I certainly don't lose any sleep over it either.  They're no more dangerous than they semi owner/driver I know.  He isn't going to ram it into a crowd.