Las Vegas Shooting

[red321]

2 minutes ago, TSD said:

I can go to the Hollywood walk of fame and see more crazies in 10 minutes than I'd see in a literal lifetime of being in the small town I grew up in.

A couple states like Nevada and Montana attract crazy survival types but they're the rare exception to your typical American good ole' boy who would give you the shirt off his back.

And I can go into a small town in Alabama and see more backwards ass crazies than I've seen in my lifetime...perspective is an interesting thing. This "typical American good ole' boy" only exist in small red state towns is a crock of horseshit.

[TSD]

4 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Unless you're black.  Or Muslim.  Or not Christian. 

See how stupid that is.  What the fuck is a "good ole boy" and how on earth would you know about their charity. 

Gee that's funny because I look Hispanic, and wasn't a Christian growing up, yet no one ever gave me a hard time in my redneck town. Ever.  You watch too much TV perhaps?

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, TSD said:

Gee that's funny because I look Hispanic, and wasn't a Christian growing up, yet no one ever gave me a hard time in my redneck town. Ever.  You watch too much TV perhaps?

Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly.  It's dumb to assume these people you describe are so wonderful and charitable.  It's no more valid then the idea that they wouldnt be nice to a minority. 

People are people. 

[TSD]

5 minutes ago, red321 said:

And I can go into a small town in Alabama and see more backwards ass crazies than I've seen in my lifetime...perspective is an interesting thing. This "typical American good ole' boy" only exist in small red state towns is a crock of horseshit.

I'll take harmless country crazy over put a bullet in you big city crazy any day.  Spent enough time in both to know the difference first hand.

[ten ocho recon scout]

50 minutes ago, GOPSnowflakesHateCezero said:

hayley geftman-gold isn't a real human

what the fuck is WRONG with people?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/

 

A top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold, said she “is not even sympathetic” for the victims of the shooting at a country music festival at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas Sunday night.

“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing,” wrote Geftman-Gold on Facebook, perhaps referring to Sandy Hook. “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”

What a dumb bitch.

[AngelsFaninGA]

1 minute ago, TSD said:

Gee that's funny because I look Hispanic, and wasn't a Christian growing up, yet no one ever gave me a hard time in my redneck town. Ever.  You watch too much TV perhaps?

Interesting, because I got a decent amount of "go back to your own country" when I was growing in rural/suburban Georgia, and I'm a white male from Eastern Europe. The problem is that people in these towns simply don't come into contact with minorities. My elementary and middle schools were literally 99% conservative white. 

[TSD]

We are digressing terribly.  We need a plan to stop this sort of thing, I think we all agree on that.  How about we discuss ideas for preventing this in the future?  Seems more productive.

[UndertheHalo]

8 minutes ago, TSD said:

...as long as you want to lump the 99.999% of law abiding gun owners in with nutcases I'd say it's fair.I know many people who own ARs and the like.  I don't have any particular use for them but I certainly don't lose any sleep over it either.  They're no more dangerous than they semi owner/driver I know.  He isn't going to ram it into a crowd.

Jesus Christ.  How does the point of the argument sail so far over your head.  Obviously most people with guns are harmless.  The point is that guns are far too accessible and that price we pay as a society for that access is unacceptable.  

No one is arguing that people who love guns are inherently more violent. 

[fan_since79]

3 minutes ago, TSD said:

We are digressing terribly.  We need a plan to stop this sort of thing, I think we all agree on that.  How about we discuss ideas for preventing this in the future?  Seems more productive.

Start with a full ban on all automatic weapons and means of converting rifles into those. Forty years in federal prison for anyone buying or selling them.

He wouldn't have done a tenth of the damage he did with a single shot rifle or even a semi. He was firing 8-10 rounds a second for a long period of time.

58 people killed, 515 injured and who knows how many of those are critical and might die?

Edited October 2, 2017 by fan_since79

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

Interesting, because I got a decent amount of "go back to your own country" when I was growing in rural/suburban Georgia, and I'm a white male from Eastern Europe. The problem is that people in these towns simply don't come into contact with minorities. My elementary and middle schools were literally 99% conservative white. 

Agree with tbis, and youre comments about 3rd world countries. To be fair, plenty of 3rd world countries are shit shows, and violent as fuck. But by and large, at least in developed but not as nice as the US countries ive been to, the people do seem less out to confront or prove anything than people here.

@mark68, i have several guns at my home. To answer why, and i can only speak for myself, it was just always an interest. Then military/PD career, they arent as big of a deal to me as they would be to someone who hasnt carried one.

Funny enough, i never shoot them...i own a handful of rifles, but am too lazy/uninterested in them to ever spend a day deiving out to the desert to shoot. (I shoot enough at work that it isnt fun, its just 'work'). Was just talking to someone about this recently, if the laws changed and i had to give them up, literally my only question would be if i would get my money back?

(As im too lazy to shoot them, im also too lazy to sell them)

[Thomas]

Just now, ten ocho recon scout said:

Funny enough, i never shoot them...i own a handful of rifles, but am too lazy/uninterested in them to ever spend a day deiving out to the desert to shoot. (I shoot enough at work that it isnt fun, its just 'work'). Was just talking to someone about this recently, if the laws changed and i had to give them up, literally my only question would be if i would get my money back?

(As im too lazy to shoot them, im also too lazy to sell them)

Ammo being expensive I imagine is a factor too

[ten ocho recon scout]

Crazy. Guy at work is the one proned out on the ground...asked if they needed help. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Just now, Thomas said:

Ammo being expensive I imagine is a factor too

Im not even sure what ammo costs....im required to train at work, so the only ammo i shoot is provided at our range. But yeah, im not interested in spending money on ammo, just not a big enough hobby of mine.

A friend of mine is a gun nut (midwest guy). He bought a lapua rifle...7 bucks a round...told him he was a fucking idiot. In his defense hes a big time outdoors guy, goes hunting a few times a year alone. So i can see his hobby justifying it...ive got other things more interesting to me to waste money on.

[mtangelsfan]

39 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

When your side often paints right wingers as less than human bigots it becomes more common than you think.

 

You stupid fuck.

Knock it off dude.  Just stop

[RallyMo]

2 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

This is face-palm material of the highest degree:

 

I'm calling total bull s on this post. You push your beliefs et all routinely on this board in the immediate wake of tragedies in which people lose their lives. You do this...

ALL. THE. FREAKING. TIME.

[mtangelsfan]

22 minutes ago, red321 said:

And I can go into a small town in Alabama and see more backwards ass crazies than I've seen in my lifetime...perspective is an interesting thing. This "typical American good ole' boy" only exist in small red state towns is a crock of horseshit.

And yet we aren't shooting up each other.   

Here is what I find intriguing, the weekends in Chicago have close to this much gun violence, but most nothing from liberals about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[red321]

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps

[RallyMo]

57 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

China mass stabbing: Deadly knife attack in Kunming

 

Sooooooooo, 1/4 the amount of people were attacked by AT LEAST five more assailants in the story you linked to. Your argument is what?

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

And yet we aren't shooting up each other.   

Here is what I find intriguing, the weekends in Chicago have close to this much gun violence, but most nothing from liberals about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's a preventative thing.  There's not a lot that can be done in the short term to stop gang violence.  Though it is possible.  Southern California still has issues with gangs for example, but not near the levels that we saw in the 80s and 90s.  Mostly because massive amounts of money poured in to help those areas.  Compton, for example.  Everyone has this idea about how hood it is.  But in reality, these days it's not so bad. 

Gun control could stop events like last night in the near term.  Australia's a great example of this. 

Edited October 2, 2017 by UndertheHalo

[gotbeer]

8 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

Start with a full ban on all automatic weapons and means of converting rifles into those. Forty years in federal prison for anyone buying or selling them.

He wouldn't have done a tenth of the damage he did with a single shot rifle or even a semi. He was firing 8-10 rounds a second for a long period of time.

58 people killed, 515 injured and who knows how many of those are critical and might die?

There is going to be a lot of searching going on in the aftermath of this shooting.  Because this one is so different than the others (at least I don't recall any others having full automatic weapons).  And what's going to be looked at very closely, is how he got these auto weapons.  And that's where it's going to get interesting.  Did he buy them?  Then the govt will most likely go after those people hard.  Did he make them?  This is where it's going to get interesting.  How did he get the information to convert a legal gun into an illegal gun?  Was it as simple as a youtube video?  Now if it was a youtube video (just saying youtube because well it's the most popular), couldn't the killed and injured then go after google for giving him the information.  We live in a litigation country, and all these things will come into play.  We attack the 2nd ammendment of gun ownership.  But do we also attack the 1st ammendment that gave him the information?  And if I'm MGM/Mandalay Bay, I am hoping that he didn't just non challantly carry those guns into his room.  

[mtangelsfan]

Just now, UndertheHalo said:

I think it's a preventative thing.  There's not a lot that can be done in the short term to stop gang violence.  Though it is possible.  Southern California still has issues with gangs for example, but not near the levels that we saw in the 80s and 90s.  Mostly because massive amounts of money poured in to help those areas.  Compton, for example.  Everyone has this idea about how good it is.  But in reality, these days it's not so bad. 

Gun control could stop events like last night in the near term.  Australia's a great example of this. 

Good things don't come out of fear and anger.  A rational conversation and debate could lead to some good results but.......

[mrwicked]

5 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

There is going to be a lot of searching going on in the aftermath of this shooting.  Because this one is so different than the others (at least I don't recall any others having full automatic weapons).  And what's going to be looked at very closely, is how he got these auto weapons.  And that's where it's going to get interesting.  Did he buy them?  Then the govt will most likely go after those people hard.  Did he make them?  This is where it's going to get interesting.  How did he get the information to convert a legal gun into an illegal gun?  Was it as simple as a youtube video?  Now if it was a youtube video (just saying youtube because well it's the most popular), couldn't the killed and injured then go after google for giving him the information.  We live in a litigation country, and all these things will come into play.  We attack the 2nd ammendment of gun ownership.  But do we also attack the 1st ammendment that gave him the information?  And if I'm MGM/Mandalay Bay, I am hoping that he didn't just non challantly carry those guns into his room.  

He had 10. Dude must have taken a bunch of trips down to his car. Or maybe he had the bellboy help him wheel his arsenal up, wonder what you tip for that.

In-coming metal detectors for all casinos?

[fan_since79]

Fired!

Kudos to CBS.

"This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS. Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families."

[Mark68]

5 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

There is going to be a lot of searching going on in the aftermath of this shooting.  Because this one is so different than the others (at least I don't recall any others having full automatic weapons).  And what's going to be looked at very closely, is how he got these auto weapons.  And that's where it's going to get interesting.  Did he buy them?  Then the govt will most likely go after those people hard.  Did he make them?  This is where it's going to get interesting.  How did he get the information to convert a legal gun into an illegal gun?  Was it as simple as a youtube video?  Now if it was a youtube video (just saying youtube because well it's the most popular), couldn't the killed and injured then go after google for giving him the information.  We live in a litigation country, and all these things will come into play.  We attack the 2nd ammendment of gun ownership.  But do we also attack the 1st ammendment that gave him the information?  And if I'm MGM/Mandalay Bay, I am hoping that he didn't just non challantly carry those guns into his room.  

I think he did carry those guns into his room nonchalantly. They could have been hidden in a golf bag, any large piece of luggage, even an instrument case (not to bring up movies like El Mariachi, but...). Since he lived in Mesquite, he could have just loaded them up in his car and brought them up to his room, and nobody would have been the wiser.

I suspect that will change now.

I also suspect that many of the hotels on the Strip will add bullet-proof windows  or some such, and of course, we, the guests, will have higher room rates.

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, Glen said:

For the record, this morning was first time Trump's response to a tragic event was actually decent. 

I thought it was great too.

Wish he'd stay off social media , especially when calling out others.  One of my biggest big pet peeves with the POTUS.