Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

[rafibomb]

Apparently Dansby Swanson's wedding day is tomorrow. Would be hilarious if his signing breaks during his wedding.

[Angels 1961]

8 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Apparently Dansby Swanson's wedding day is tomorrow. Would be hilarious if his signing breaks during his wedding.

He should sign before he gets married be his money

[Redondo]

38 minutes ago, Buttercup said:

And if you think baseball contracts are absurd have you seen Ronaldo’s new soccer contract of around $200MM PER YEAR! 

Wow, that's a crazy number

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, Buttercup said:

I’m in agreement that 11 years is absurd (and the teams know it) but I think the landscape has changed and you can no longer look at the years as much as you can total commitment. 

By tacking on more years teams are significantly reducing the luxury tax they pay on the total contract and therefore narrowing the gap between the cost of a shorter commitment.

I’d say it’s reasonable to think star players will give your team decent production/value for 5-6 years. 

If you offered Xander Boegarts 8 years and 250MM you are putting forth a competitive bid and the cost of getting him is expecting you will pay for 2 bad but hopefully not worthless seasons at the end. But, now your luxury tax number is 6.25MM a year higher and you can tack on another few million to his cost for the tax you’ll pay as a team with a payroll above the limit.  It’s also going to make future contracts more difficult if you ever try to get back under the threshold.

By giving him three extra years you’ve gained the right to him in those declining years as a gamble where he may at least give you some value. It might cost 10MM plus per WAR in the near future and if he’s even a 1 WAR player for those last years it’s not a total loss. But, even if you have to release him you can view those extra 30 - 40MM you spent on him with more years tacked on as a deferred and interest free signing bonus. A bonus which has saved you anywhere from 3-15MM over the course of the 11 years (dependent on how long and which level you run you payroll above the limit) on luxury tax payments. 

We can all agree on the ridiculous lengths to these contracts but obviously the reasons behind them have been well thought out by the Management and Owners. The gamble is they turn out like Pujols and they decline sharply in years 1 or 2. 

And if you think baseball contracts are absurd have you seen Ronaldo’s new soccer contract of around $200MM PER YEAR! 

Exactly this 

This is why we need an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Shohei. We pay him 1 year $440 million contract. Then he signs a 9 year $9 million dollar one with us the next year.

 

 

[mmc]

 

[Angelsfan1984]

Just now, mmc said:

 

A's have quadrupled their payroll this year. Congrats.

[Duren, Duren]

Major league sports around the world are getting more and more money from gambling sources. The NHL for instance has become unwatchable before games, during intermissions and with constant graphics referencing gambling data.

And this applies to various degrees in various forms in every sport. No doubt this is one factor in the income stream, though not the only one. And at some point may impact the integrity of the games and leagues.

And all this in a time when real world economies are fragile and potential severe recessionary effects may manifest. 

But sports are a great opiate for the masses, and the disconnect from the real world is simply taken as a given. Entertainment of all kinds is escapism, but necessary to maintain balance and sanity some times. 

I've been a fan of multiple teams in every sport since I was a kid, and still am. But win or lose, most of the elite of all sports have such disproportionate wealth that it's hard to ever have empathy for them ever as real people off the field. 

Not their fault for taking what the market offers, but the disconnect with the real world is the reality behind the curtain.

It's the polar opposite of pre union days when players had to have off season jobs to get by, but neither extreme is healthy or sustainable.

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

Major league sports around the world are getting more and more money from gambling sources. 

3 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

 

It's the polar opposite of pre union days when players had to have off season jobs to get by, but neither extreme is healthy or sustainable.

 

 

 

 

We need Pete Rose here to tell us which one is better.

[T.G.]

11 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

Major league sports around the world are getting more and more money from gambling sources. The NHL for instance has become unwatchable before games, during intermissions and with constant graphics referencing gambling data.

And this applies to various degrees in various forms in every sport. No doubt this is one factor in the income stream, though not the only one. And at some point may impact the integrity of the games and leagues.

And all this in a time when real world economies are fragile and potential severe recessionary effects may manifest. 

But sports are a great opiate for the masses, and the disconnect from the real world is simply taken as a given. Entertainment of all kinds is escapism, but necessary to maintain balance and sanity some times. 

I've been a fan of multiple teams in every sport since I was a kid, and still am. But win or lose, most of the elite of all sports have such disproportionate wealth that it's hard to ever have empathy for them ever as real people off the field. 

Not their fault for taking what the market offers, but the disconnect with the real world is the reality behind the curtain.

It's the polar opposite of pre union days when players had to have off season jobs to get by, but neither extreme is healthy or sustainable.

 

 

I disagree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[mmc]

Lots of talk here about the top remaining free agent starters (Senga, Bassitt, Rodon), but who would you guys like to see us sign if we instead shop in the tier below them? (Manaea, Cueto, Rucinski, Syndergaard, Lorenzen, Kuhl, etc)

[Docwaukee]

Just now, mmc said:

Lots of talk here about the top remaining free agent starters (Senga, Bassitt, Rodon), but who would you guys like to see us sign if we instead shop in the tier below them? (Manaea, Cueto, Rucinski, Syndergaard, Lorenzen, Kuhl, etc)

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

Lots of talk here about the top remaining free agent starters (Senga, Bassitt, Rodon), but who would you guys like to see us sign if we instead shop in the tier below them? (Manaea, Cueto, Rucinski, Syndergaard, Lorenzen, Kuhl, etc)

Give me senga. No draft pick, should be more affordable than Rodon and then swing a trade for either an OF (include ward) or a ss (include rengifo). 

[Docwaukee]

my expectations have become unreasonable after hearing that we almost spent 90m on a Catcher.  

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, mmc said:

Lots of talk here about the top remaining free agent starters (Senga, Bassitt, Rodon), but who would you guys like to see us sign if we instead shop in the tier below them? (Manaea, Cueto, Rucinski, Syndergaard, Lorenzen, Kuhl, etc)

Manea

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, Docwaukee said:

my expectations have become unreasonable after hearing that we almost spent 90m on a Catcher.  

Don’t let them fool you. Angels are being sold. Arte isn’t going to spend money. I have that on good authority. 

[Angels 1961]

15 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Manea

 Manea a lefty so no

[Angels 1961]

Lorenzen 1 year deal

[wopphil]

2 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

my expectations have become unreasonable after hearing that we almost spent 90m on a Catcher.  

Me too. But if the Angels really made a big offer to Contreras, I think there is little doubt they are heavily in on Swanson, Senga, and others. 

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Manea

How much are you willing to give for a guy like this

If you go back and check previous years, he's been pretty consistently like this. Manaea, is one of those guys that completely baffles me, I've never really understood how he gets it done, the plus control obviously is key, maybe it was those really great defenses in Oakland and/or he's always hidden the ball well, but he's always struck me as a guy on the verge of imploding.

[Stradling]

52 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

How much are you willing to give for a guy like this

If you go back and check previous years, he's been pretty consistently like this. Manaea, is one of those guys that completely baffles me, I've never really understood how he gets it done, the plus control obviously is key, maybe it was those really great defenses in Oakland and/or he's always hidden the ball well, but he's always struck me as a guy on the verge of imploding.

So you think he’s a product of pitching in Oakland?  Fair enough. I didn’t like the list of pitchers mentioned. 
A pitcher I think could be traded is Carrasco.  

[ukyah]

53 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

How much are you willing to give for a guy like this

If you go back and check previous years, he's been pretty consistently like this. Manaea, is one of those guys that completely baffles me, I've never really understood how he gets it done, the plus control obviously is key, maybe it was those really great defenses in Oakland and/or he's always hidden the ball well, but he's always struck me as a guy on the verge of imploding.

my keen eye and deeply nuanced understanding of pitching tells me it's his extension.

[tdawg87]

Gross.

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, ukyah said:

my keen eye and deeply nuanced understanding of pitching tells me it's his extension.

I’d say, just a hunch, that’s the only thing it isn’t. 

[Buttercup]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

So you think he’s a product of pitching in Oakland?  Fair enough. I didn’t like the list of pitchers mentioned. 
A pitcher I think could be traded is Carrasco.  

I feel that Weaver would have had a similar baffling look to his chart. That deception makes everything play up. When you're talking fractions of a second in reaction time a slightly delayed response due to deception is huge. 

[ukyah]

20 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I’d say, just a hunch, that’s the only thing it isn’t. 

 

you failed the assignment.

 

"Manaea, is one of those guys that completely baffles me, I've never really understood how he gets it done"