Noah Syndergaard - Angels Agree to 1-Year, $21 Million Deal

[Stradling]

I mean it could get more interesting.  They could sign Verlander and then still trade for Castillo.  If you have Noah and Verlander you could trade the arms needed to get Castillo.  Then you team up Castillo and Ohtani in the future.  I don’t really want Verlander, but this is possible.  

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

Verlander and NS together is too many question marks. I’d like to see them trade for Gray AND Castillo. Pretty much willing to gut the farm for those 2. 

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I mean it could get more interesting.  They could sign Verlander and then still trade for Castillo.  If you have Noah and Verlander you could trade the arms needed to get Castillo.  Then you team up Castillo and Ohtani in the future.  I don’t really want Verlander, but this is possible.  

Only issue with that is you, I can't believe I'm saying this, are starting to overdo it on the rotation. 
Sandoval, Suarez, and Ohtani were good last year, and Barria, Canning, and Detmers have shown promise. 

Bullpen needs help. Back-up catcher needs help. Arguably need a shortstop and potentially an outfielder if they make a Castillo trade. 
But I agree, that's theoretically in the realm. I'd be okay trotting out internal options at SS and first-half of the pen if they were able to snag Castillo, Amir Garrett, and another solid vet RP. Not as pretty, but it could work. Bachman could be a pen weapon too.

[totdprods]

2 minutes ago, GoodTimesGoneBad said:

Verlander and NS together is too many question marks. I’d like to see them trade for Gray AND Castillo. Pretty much willing to gut the farm for those 2. 

I would typically think this would be impossible, but Cincy has made so many weird moves of late, landing Castillo and Gray in one deal seems feasible.

Might need to part with two young SPs (since they're so focused on going cheap) so Suarez and Detmers/Canning/Barria/Bachman might be gone, but if you can land both of those for two arms, an OF, and a SS (Rengifo, Jackson, or another one of our top prospects) I would say go for it. Try and get Amir Garrett too, fuck it.

[totdprods]

They're gonna get Scherzer, Syndergaard, Iglesias (or another big name closer), go internal with SS, and maybe spot another couple cheap adds for bullpen and 4th OF, much like Fowler, Watson, Cishek, Claudio, and Guerra. Book it.

Scherzer, Shohei, Syndergaard, Sandoval, Suarez for the rotation.

Edited November 16, 2021 by totdprods

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, GoodTimesGoneBad said:

Verlander and NS together is too many question marks. I’d like to see them trade for Gray AND Castillo. Pretty much willing to gut the farm for those 2. 

Short contracts on those guys isn't that much risk but yeah, they aren't necessarily the future of the Halos' rotation. Especially Verlander as he is getting older

[Hubs]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

What am I missing here?  The pick they get if someone else signs Iglesias would still be a 2nd round pick.  Depending on who signs him, it could be a higher or lower pick in the 2nd round than the one the Angels would have based on their record from this season--but it would still be a 2nd round pick.  So they'd lose either their own 2nd rounder or the one from the team that signs Iglesias.

They don't get the other teams pick, they get a compensatory at the end of the 2nd round.

I think.

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Don said:

Word on the street is that @Tank had to spend a full week eating red burritos in Corona to get this deal done.

my GI tract is thankful for the end of these particular negotiations.

on to scherzer our, um, next target.

[Hubs]

4 minutes ago, Hubs said:

They don't get the other teams pick, they get a compensatory at the end of the 2nd round.

I think.

A team that neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing will lose its second-highest selection in the following year's Draft as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest remaining pick. If that team loses a free agent, it will be awarded a Draft pick immediately following Competitive Balance Round B. The 13 clubs that fall into this category during the 2020-21 offseason are the Angels, Athletics, Blue Jays, Braves, Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants, Mets, Nationals, Phillies, Rangers, Red Sox and White Sox.

So they'll lose their 2nd round pick, then if Iglesias signs somewhere else, get a pick after the 2nd round and competitive balance round B, so basically get a 3rd.

[Bronson]

11 minutes ago, totdprods said:

They're gonna get Scherzer, Syndergaard, Iglesias (or another big name closer), go internal with SS, and maybe spot another couple cheap adds for bullpen and 4th OF, much like Fowler, Watson, Cishek, Claudio, and Guerra. Book it.

Scherzer, Shohei, Syndergaard, Sandoval, Suarez for the rotation.

The S five!

[Stradling]

13 minutes ago, totdprods said:

They're gonna get Scherzer, Syndergaard, Iglesias (or another big name closer), go internal with SS, and maybe spot another couple cheap adds for bullpen and 4th OF, much like Fowler, Watson, Cishek, Claudio, and Guerra. Book it.

Scherzer, Shohei, Syndergaard, Sandoval, Suarez for the rotation.

Upton is the 4th outfielder.  

[Stradling]

13 minutes ago, Jason said:

Short contracts on those guys isn't that much risk but yeah, they aren't necessarily the future of the Halos' rotation. Especially Verlander as he is getting older

No the future remains, Shohei, Sandoval, Suarez, Detmers, Canning and Bachman.

[OldAndInTheWay]

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

Short contracts on those guys isn't that much risk but yeah, they aren't necessarily the future of the Halos' rotation. Especially Verlander as he is getting older

We ain't buying no green bananas this winter.  Perry, go get us Maximus! 

[Angel Dog and Beer]

I'm going on record here by saying I like this acquisition....

 

...If he pitches like his '15-'18 seasons. 

 

I will not like this deal if he doesn't. 

[jsnpritchett]

6 minutes ago, Hubs said:

A team that neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing will lose its second-highest selection in the following year's Draft as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest remaining pick. If that team loses a free agent, it will be awarded a Draft pick immediately following Competitive Balance Round B. The 13 clubs that fall into this category during the 2020-21 offseason are the Angels, Athletics, Blue Jays, Braves, Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants, Mets, Nationals, Phillies, Rangers, Red Sox and White Sox.

So they'll lose their 2nd round pick, then if Iglesias signs somewhere else, get a pick after the 2nd round and competitive balance round B, so basically get a 3rd.

Yeah, I posted a link to this earlier in the thread. 

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

No the future remains, Shohei, Sandoval, Suarez, Detmers, Canning and Bachman.

Syndergaard is only 29 and if he pitches well this season then he may be worth extending 

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Whoever wins it in ST.

How many teams get to the post-season doing that though?

[Angel Oracle]

Just now, Jason said:

Syndergaard is only 29 and if he pitches well this season then he may be worth extending 

Canning, Canning, Canning

Dude was drafted 4.5 years ago from a major college baseball program, and still hasn’t accomplished a whole lot yet.   When does that start?

[OldAndInTheWay]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

Canning, Canning, Canning

Dude was drafted 4.5 years ago from a major college baseball program, and still hasn’t accomplished a whole lot yet.   When does that start?

I'm okay with Canning starting for another team. Tired of the tease.

[Angel Oracle]

7 minutes ago, Stradling said:

No the future remains, Shohei, Sandoval, Suarez, Detmers, Canning and Bachman.

Canning was drafted 4.5 years ago from a major college baseball program, and still hasn’t accomplished a whole lot yet.   When does that start?

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

Canning, Canning, Canning

Dude was drafted 4.5 years ago from a major college baseball program, and still hasn’t accomplished a whole lot yet.   When does that start?

Exactly. Maybe he puts it together and becomes the pitcher they hoped for. When it comes to prospects nothing is a sure thing. I guess we will find out next season. 

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

The Yankees, Jays and Red Sox were all in on Noah. 

Yeah but

[mmc]

 

[Jason]

Just now, OldAndInTheWay said:

I'm okay with Canning starting for another team. Tired of the tease.

I think we just need to keep our expectations reasonably low until he proves otherwise. I think its a little to early to write him off. 

[Angel Oracle]

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