Noah Syndergaard - Angels Agree to 1-Year, $21 Million Deal

[Inside Pitch]

13 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Can anyone name a TJS pitcher in the past who had a season worthy   of anywhere nears $21 million in today’s dollars?

Tommy John.

More seriously, Chris Carpenter finished 2nd in the Cy Young vote his first full season back from TJ.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, True Grich said:

Someone listens to mlb network radio

Yes, but I got this from a discussion awhile back when I didn’t really remember a single pitcher that performed well the year after TJ surgery.

[Inside Pitch]

Say what you will about the merits or risks of getting Syndergaard -- at least they are assured ONE pitcher who wasn't the bottom of the barrel all other options were taken type of signing.

Whether or not it pays off ... no clue.  But's it's an improvement over the dumpster diving.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Say what you will about the merits or risks of getting Syndergaard -- at least they are assured ONE pitcher who wasn't the bottom of the barrel all other options were taken type of signing.

Whether or not it pays off ... no clue.  But's it's an improvement over the dumpster diving.

I really can’t imagine a scenario where this is the only move they make to bolster the rotation.  I would prefer something a little more of a sure thing with the next signing, even if they don’t have the upside of a Verlander.  

[bloodbrother]

37 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Angels get criticized constantly for never putting good enough pitching around Trout and Ohtani and now that they are trying to do just that they still get criticized.

 

[Duren, Duren]

I think resigning Cobb at a reasonable price would be be a solid move. He seemed healthy enough late in the season, and can be a good enough inning eating 3-5 starter. Hardly top tier, but a veteran who knows how to pitch. At this stage it looks like Arte is spending to win now, and having veterans may be more of an option than rolling the dice with some of the younger guys for 2022.  Canning, Sandoval, Detmers and others may have longer term upside but for the upcoming season it looks like a veteran rotation may be the safer route. It's not going to be a developmental season on the mound. 

[bloodbrother]

7 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Say what you will about the merits or risks of getting Syndergaard -- at least they are assured ONE pitcher who wasn't the bottom of the barrel all other options were taken type of signing.

Whether or not it pays off ... no clue.  But's it's an improvement over the dumpster diving.

That's where I'm at. I appreciate they aren't going with more half measures when it comes to the rotation

[Angel Oracle]

This is the Halos.

How often do signings like this turn out well enough for them.

History is not kind to them.

I get that this is better than the dumpster diving.  

I get that it’s better to do this with a 6 man rotation (27 starts max) vs 5 man rotation (32 starts max).    Doing it with a 5 man rotation would be the height of stupidity.

Still, there is A LOT of risk, and worried this will become their M.O. going forward (one year deals for starters).   And worried they will also bring in Verlander and his TJS in the recent past.

Better hope the pitchers develop well enough on the farm.

If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly eat my words.

Edited November 16, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[Erstad Grit]

18 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Yes, but I got this from a discussion awhile back when I didn’t really remember a single pitcher that performed well the year after TJ surgery.

AJ Burnett

[Jason]

40 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Look, if you all want to be Eeyore go for it.  Arte signed a pitcher with tremendous upside to a $21 million deal today.  But that doesn’t stop the bitching.  One thing Arte has been successful at is turning fans into victims.  Well done Arturo

The article posted above states that price could be an issue in regards to the remaining free agents. That’s what I was specifically referring to. If it is, then the Halos will not get another starter and will rely on their young guys. Maybe they pitch great and that would be awesome but then again they may be mediocre like last season. There aren’t many here bitching about the Syndergaard signing but we have to keep expectations reasonable as the amount of inning he will be able to pitch could likely be an issue. 

[bloodbrother]

13 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

This is the Halos.

How often do signings like this turn out well enough for them.

History is not kind to them.

I get that this is better than the dumpster diving.   Still, there is A LOT of risk, and worried this will become their M.O. going forward (one year deals for starters).

Better hope the pitchers develop well enough on the farm.

Just because their track record hasn't been good doesn't mean you still don't try.

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

How about Greinke? At least he’s familiar with the AL West. 

[Inside Pitch]

24 minutes ago, bloodbrother said:

Angels get criticized constantly for never putting good enough pitching around Trout and Ohtani and now that they are trying to do just that they still get criticized.

Rosenthal is catching shit from people saying just that in the comments.  

[Angels 1961]

24 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

I think resigning Cobb at a reasonable price would be be a solid move. He seemed healthy enough late in the season, and can be a good enough inning eating 3-5 starter. Hardly top tier, but a veteran who knows how to pitch. At this stage it looks like Arte is spending to win now, and having veterans may be more of an option than rolling the dice with some of the younger guys for 2022.  Canning, Sandoval, Detmers and others may have longer term upside but for the upcoming season it looks like a veteran rotation may be the safer route. It's not going to be a developmental season on the mound. 

Cobb would be good addition or Alex Wood

[Stradling]

18 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

This is the Halos.

How often do signings like this turn out well enough for them.

History is not kind to them.

I get that this is better than the dumpster diving.  

I get that it’s better to do this with a 6 man rotation (27 starts max) vs 5 man rotation (32 starts max).    Doing it with a 5 man rotation would be the height of stupidity.

Still, there is A LOT of risk, and worried this will become their M.O. going forward (one year deals for starters).   And worried they will also bring in Verlander and his TJS in the recent past.

Better hope the pitchers develop well enough on the farm.

If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly eat my words.

How is Perry’s track record in signing/trading for arms?  Because isn’t that what matters?  I have him as batting .500. Cobb good.  Quintana bad.  
If you extend that to the bullpen then Iglesias good, Cishek good, and the lefty we traded to SF good. 

[T.G.]

32 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I really can’t imagine a scenario where this is the only move they make to bolster the rotation.  I would prefer something a little more of a sure thing with the next signing, even if they don’t have the upside of a Verlander.  

Who is more of a sure thing?

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

How is Perry’s track record in signing/trading for arms?  Because isn’t that what matters?  I have him as batting .500. Cobb good.  Quintana bad.  
If you extend that to the bullpen then Iglesias good, Cishek good, and the lefty we traded to SF good. 

But 6 years ago....!

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

paywall's suck. Can you give us the Cliff Notes? 

A rival thinks the Angels are desperate..  and he closes with, that's the situation the Angels are in.   So, Rosenthal thinks the Angels made a desperation move. 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, True Grich said:

Who is more of a sure thing?

To me Stroman or Ray.  I guess what I meant was someone with less of a recent injury history. 

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

A rival thinks the Angels are desperate..  and he closes with, that's the situation the Angels are in.   So, Rosenthal thinks the Angels made a desperation move. 

The halos should be desperate to win now. If this is a desperation move then I’m ok with it because the rotation is now better than 2021 

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

A team that neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing will lose its second-highest selection in the following year's Draft as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest remaining pick. If that team loses a free agent, it will be awarded a Draft pick immediately following Competitive Balance Round B. The 13 clubs that fall into this category during the 2020-21 offseason are the Angels, Athletics, Blue Jays, Braves, Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants, Mets, Nationals, Phillies, Rangers, Red Sox and White Sox.

So they'll lose their 2nd round pick, then if Iglesias signs somewhere else, get a pick after the 2nd round and competitive balance round B, so basically get a 3rd.

baseball's version of the quadratic equation.

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

paywall's suck. Can you give us the Cliff Notes? 

*Cliffs Notes

** Paywalls

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

The halos should be desperate to win now. If this is a desperation move then I’m ok with it because the rotation is now better than 2021 

Yep. One thing I'm not worried about is our 2025 roster. Hell, i won't even be living here anymore by then. 

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

Yep. One thing I'm not worried about is our 2025 roster. Hell, i won't even be living here anymore by then. 

Where are you going?

[Lou]

Just now, True Grich said:

Where are you going?

Out of the country.