Breaking: Alex Cobb TRADED to Angels for Jahmai Jones

[34red4]

9 hours ago, Dochalo said:

There is one way that Cobb could actually help this team.  If the Angels agree to pay some of his deferred salary instead of the money in 2021 and he essentially pitches for free for the Angels this year.  I am not sure this is even possible.  If the Angels can somehow find a way to pay him in 2030-32 then maybe it make a little sense.  I could see a path to that considering that he's got 4.5m deferred this year which is probably prorated over the payout from 2022-2032.  

If the halos pay him say 1m in 2021 and then about half a mil in each of the next ten years then he could be a decent backup arm as 6 or 7 on the depth chart should the shit hit the fan.  

that wouldn't change the financial position of the team for 2021 and potentially allow them to make more moves.  

This makes sense. Also could be the reason why it’s taking so long to get MLB approval. 

[Angelsjunky]

8 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

I didn't see you list as an option previously to this quoted post that your evaluation of either player could be wrong, but I could have missed it. It appears some believe that prospect ratings have overhyped Jones. Obviously that remains to be seen. But if that is true, is it impossible that Cobb is worth more than 3m? Certainly it seems like Minasian thinks he is.

There could also be, as Dochalo has suggested, that there is some other benefit that Minasian is using this trade for to facilitate some other move, and this particular trade could be well-suited for that purpose due to the deferred money somehow.

Is that optimistic? Probably. I just find it hard, as I've said numerous times today, to believe that a GM, even a rookie GM, would make that big of an overpay to the point that everyone on here is wondering what is wrong with him.

It's very possible that we'll find out very soon that Minasian (/Maddon) just really likes Cobb and was willing to overpay to bring him in. And it's also very possible that Jones will turn into a Zobrist-type super-utility guy with a solid amount of value and we'll be talking about this idiotic trade for years to come.

That would be option one, "The Angels see something no one else sees." Of course its possible, in a Baldoquin-is-a-great-prospect-sorta-way.

I'm not overhyping Jones, and a 40+ FV is a solid but not great prospect. I see him as a future good utility/fringe regular.

[Blarg]

I see y'all still wallowing in the denial stage. 

Let me make it easier.

This is the last pitching acquisition, there will be no more trades or free agents. Now move on. 

[Stradling]

7 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I see y'all still wallowing in the denial stage. 

Let me make it easier.

This is the last pitching acquisition, there will be no more trades or free agents. Now move on. 

Ok. Or, it won’t be.  I’ll bet you Eric that this isn’t the last pitcher acquired this off season. 

[Dtwncbad]

I have done my homework and I can tell everyone with 100% certainty this was either the last pitching acquisition or it is not. It is down to just one or the other.

[angelsnationtalk]

2 hours ago, Turd Ferguson said:

Still holding out hope that this one falls through...c'mon Arte, this would be a good one to nix!

Watch Arte pull out of the trade, fire Callaway then sign Bauer.

[Dtwncbad]

32 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Watch Arte pull out of the trade, fire Callaway then sign Bauer.

Why would he have to pull out of the trade to fire Callaway and sign Bauer?

[Bronson]

32 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Watch Arte pull out of the trade, fire Callaway then sign Bauer.

Or just keep the trade and still sign Bauer.

[tdawg87]

25 minutes ago, Bronson said:

Or just keep the trade and still sign Bauer.

But...Blarg said 

[ettin]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

I see y'all still wallowing in the denial stage. 

Let me make it easier.

This is the last pitching acquisition, there will be no more trades or free agents. Now move on. 

But, butt, butte.....

[failos]

Surprised anyone would give us anything for Jahmai Jones' wacky swing

[ThisismineScios]

I don't think Jones had much value. He's blocked in the OF, Fletcher at 2B, and has lost his luster a bit. Perry has people from Atlanta, the Dodgers, Royals, and Brewers (and now Toronto) working in the FO with him. They clearly aren't very high on Jones' upside, and think he was expendable. If the Angels only gave up Jones and took a $3-5 million hit, it's worth it. I'd love to see this be the solidifying on the back end for them to sign another starter. But this would in theory allow them to trade Canning. Canning is controlled and unlike Barria, Sandoval, or Suarez has shown that he has real upside to be a #3. Him and Adell (plus a few others) could land Marquez or Castillo. Not saying they will but now they could trade Canning if the right team wanted him. 

[ScottT]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/cobb-ballad-1362-words-on-the-angels-newest-starter/

[Blarg]

Still no confirmation this trade has taken place. 

[Torridd]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

There’s some value in trading Heaney.  He has one year of control.  His return should be similar if not better than Matz.  They could target pitching prospects in a trade of Heaney, thus mitigating the loss of our prospects in any deal we could make for a starter of higher caliber than Heaney.  Lastly it frees up $7 million in luxury tax space. 

I can see that if the Halos aren't in the playoff hunt, but the team as it stands needs Heaney, embarrassingly, one of its top two starters arguably. 

[Angels in 2030]

All the harassment allegations and WWE fight promotions are simply a coverup for what is plainly an absolutely horrible trade.  It's a Government plan to get you to look away from the evil of yet another crappy one year (& OLD) SP for the LA Angels being acquired.  Now back to your AW Housewife shenanigans.

[Torridd]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

I see y'all still wallowing in the denial stage. 

Let me make it easier.

This is the last pitching acquisition, there will be no more trades or free agents. Now move on. 

No way, Blarg. I couldn't say enough bad things about management if that were the case.

[Make Angels Great Again]

16 minutes ago, ThisismineScios said:

I don't think Jones had much value. He's blocked in the OF, Fletcher at 2B, and has lost his luster a bit. Perry has people from Atlanta, the Dodgers, Royals, and Brewers (and now Toronto) working in the FO with him. They clearly aren't very high on Jones' upside, and think he was expendable. If the Angels only gave up Jones and took a $3-5 million hit, it's worth it. I'd love to see this be the solidifying on the back end for them to sign another starter. But this would in theory allow them to trade Canning. Canning is controlled and unlike Barria, Sandoval, or Suarez has shown that he has real upside to be a #3. Him and Adell (plus a few others) could land Marquez or Castillo. Not saying they will but now they could trade Canning if the right team wanted him. 

 

Holy shit, best username/profile pic combo i've seen in years.

[Torridd]

19 minutes ago, ScottT said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/cobb-ballad-1362-words-on-the-angels-newest-starter/

Excellent article and I agree.

[Second Base]

20 minutes ago, ScottT said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/cobb-ballad-1362-words-on-the-angels-newest-starter/

A very accurate take.

[ten ocho recon scout]

27 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Still no confirmation this trade has taken place. 

Maybe it will be like joc pederson last year

[Docwaukee]

49 minutes ago, failos said:

Surprised anyone would give us anything for Jahmai Jones' wacky swing

I wish people would think before they write dumb stuff

[Lou]

7 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I wish people would think before they write dumb stuff

That would be horrible.

[failos]

15 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I wish people would think before they write dumb stuff

People have opinions. Deal with it or put me on ignore.

[beatlesrule]

Perry

2:19

Why did I trade for Alex Cobb?

 

Steve Adams

2:19

I legitimately have no idea what compelled the Angels to make that move. I get it if you want an able-bodied veteran to soak up some innings, but man ... could've kept Jones and just signed Fiers or Shoemaker or Porcello or someone for a few million.

 

2:20

Not that Jahmai Jones is any sort of elite prospect, but if you even think he can be a passable bench piece, why make this move? There's just nothing outside Cobb's ground-ball rate that looks too appealing.