THE Official 2019-2020 Hot Stove Thread

[totdprods]

1 minute ago, Second Base said:

The Angels have a million back end starters with potential. They would survive without gambling a piece of their future away for 2 years of Dylan Bundy.

No doubt - no disagreement there but the one thing they might not have right now is time. 

Bundy gives them an actualized #5 right now, which Eppler might need if it’s make or break time. Something that Barria and our million potential back end guys haven’t really proven. Thaiss? Replaceable via FA. They could sign Eric Thames or Moustakas or see what happens with Walsh, Rojas, Ward, La Stella. Rengifo or Fletcher could take 3B if Jones emerges.  

[tdawg87]

5 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

 

That it? 

Get it done, Eppler.

[Second Base]

4 minutes ago, totdprods said:

No doubt - no disagreement there but the one thing they might not have right now is time. 

Bundy gives them an actualized #5 right now, which Eppler might need if it’s make or break time. Something that Barria and our million potential back end guys haven’t really proven. Thaiss? Replaceable via FA. They could sign Eric Thames or Moustakas or see what happens with Walsh, Rojas, Ward, La Stella. Rengifo or Fletcher could take 3B if Jones emerges.  

Or they could sign an actually 5th starter off the scrap heap for a couple million and keep the prospects. It doesn't have to be Bundy and it doesn't have to be a trade. Those are both entertaining in what has been a boring off-season so far, but they aren't the only answers to a need. And I'm not even convinced that need exists.

[Second Base]

3 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

That it? 

Get it done, Eppler.

My thoughts exactly.  If it costs five years and 100 million, then sign Wheeler and remove some of the pressure that comes with needing to sign Gerrit Cole.

[Stradling]

5 minutes ago, RBM said:

I don't think he would want Bundy. He has plenty of #4/#5 guys already.

that go 170 innings a year?  That strike out a batter an inning?  No he doesn't have one of those, much less plenty of those.  

[Docwaukee]

28 minutes ago, Stradling said:

No, we really don’t have enough back end starters.  If we did we wouldn’t have had starters average only 4.2 innings last year. 

 

that was partially self imposed and a result of the fact that the four guys being thrust into the rotation were 4 of the youngest starters in mlb.  they will be better.  

that said, it wouldn't hurt to get Bundy but it probably doesn't help that much unless the assumption is that Heaney, Ohtani and all the young guys will give us about the same amount of innings they did last year.  Plus, as always, it depends on what the Angels would have to give up.  'multiple prospects' is very specific.  If that means Jones and Barria, then it's a tough call.   

[Pancake Bear]

51 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

 

Why haven’t we signed him yet, then?

[floplag]

Well this is, interesting...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-jonathan-villar-waivers.html

 

[Docwaukee]

Just now, floplag said:

Well this is, interesting...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-jonathan-villar-waivers.html

 

Justin Bour looks different.  

[floplag]

3 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Justin Bour looks different.  

If we had gotten those numbers out of Bour we would both be happy.

[Stradling]

7 minutes ago, floplag said:

Well this is, interesting...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-jonathan-villar-waivers.html

 

 

1 hour ago, CanadianHalo said:

 

it was interesting an hour ago as well.

[totdprods]

My concerns with our current crop of SPs:

• Ohtani, best-case scenario, is still probably limited to 20-25 GS and 100-140 IP, either due to inning management, his once-a-week schedule or the number of at-bats he receives. 
• Counting on Canning to be a full-time, 30+ GS/180 IP guy is probably really ambitious given his pre-draft and recent summer injury concerns, not to mention most SPs still go through some sophomore slumps. 
• Heaney still can’t seem to put together a complete season. 
• Barria, Suarez, Sandoval, Peters, Gohara, and Pena...it’s really easy to simply lump all of these guys into the same tier FOR 2020. Rotating as #6, AAA SP, and some pen work.

Given that we don’t have a single SP on roster who is bankable for everyday use, acquiring three arms, Bundy included, still seems perfectly reasonable, regardless of the other two names acquired this winter, and even if it means sacrificing one of that last tier. 

Obviousky, Bundy isn’t worth overpaying for, but I think a deal involving one or two of our fairly known prospects wouldn’t be an awful deal. Sure, they could also sign someone off the scrap heap, but assuming a deal for Bundy comes together, it’s probably because they like something there better than the scrap heap options. Eppler doesn’t give up prospects lightly.

[Second Base]

The two pitchers I'd want to trade for, Syndergaard and Gray, have both been taken off the trade block. So I'd rather the Angels just spend the money on two of Cole, Strasburg, Wheeler and Ryu.

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, Lou said:

we weren't a good team 

Exactly.... The Angels need certainty in the rotation in hopes of becoming good again.

[Docwaukee]

[totdprods]

45 minutes ago, RBM said:

2018 was a complete season. A successful complete season. More successful than any season Bundy has had.

Cool, he has one. Bundy has still wracked up twice the WAR, two hundred more innings, multiple seasons with 20+ GS or 30+ G, and is a couple years younger. 

He’d be a good add still. Just depends on cost. 

[totdprods]

6 minutes ago, RBM said:

I think we should be aiming higher.

Jfc, he’s being mentioned as a possible buy-low potential third arm. Maybe a second. It’s not like he’s the one we’d be going all in on.

Edited November 28, 2019 by totdprods

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

Exactly.... The Angels need certainty in the rotation in hopes of becoming good again.

he said:" Good teams acquire projects".

we weren't a good team, therefore, we shouldn't acquire projects. 

[UndertheHalo]

The Villar thing is extremely bizzare.  Would love to get him. 

[Docwaukee]

45 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

The Villar thing is extremely bizzare.  Would love to get him. 

I wouldn't spend 10m on him but grabbing him for a few mil to play some 1b/OF and backup a bunch of spots wouldn't be a bad idea.  


 

[Docwaukee]

Pedro Avila just got DFA'd by the Padres.  Had TJ surg in August but had a fairly successful minor league career and is only 23.  Misses lots of bats.  Doesn't allow many base runners.  Throws mid 90's.  He'd be someone to jump into our top 30 pretty easily.  

[ukyah]

13 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I wouldn't spend 10m on him but grabbing him for a few mil to play some 1b/OF and backup a bunch of spots wouldn't be a bad idea.  


 

he's going to get a starting job. i think it's almost certainly going to be san diego.

[mmc]

another catcher off the board 

[Docwaukee]

4 minutes ago, mymerlincat said:

another catcher off the board 

it's a good thing we got Stassi when we did.  

[Lou]

$11M for Suzuki and Gomes. 

Pass