San Bernardino Mass Shooting

[Ray McKigney]

Apple doesn't want another Fappening on their hands.

[mtangelsfan]

If you or I said no, we'd be in jail right now.  They should shut Apple down until they comply.  **** big business.

 

Straight from the "well if you didn't do anything wrong why worry about bad warrants/bad searches" kind of reasoning.

 

ugh.

[nate]

People love to rage against Apple.

 

Apple provides anonymous information to advertisers.  It is in the EULA you agree to when you use their device.  The EULA definitely says that your data is encrypted and they will not share it with anyone.

 

Apple originally didn't release their iphone in China because the Chinese government wanted access to the phones any time they wanted.  Apple said no and eventually won.

[mtangelsfan]

Gary Johnson nails this:

 

If the government wants to search a hotel room, they don't -- or shouldn't -- demand that the hotel hand them a pass key that would open EVERY room. In a very simplified way, that is what the government is demanding of Apple in order to supposedly access one particular device. Apple is right to be fighting -- and we ALL have a stake in the outcome.

[Stradling]

So the Feds want access to all of Apple's customers or just Farooks?

[nate]

why does there need to be a distinction?

[Stradling]

If they want access to his phone records I can easily justify giving it to them. If they want access to all of the records I could see why you all would be afraid of a slippery slope.

[Mark68]

As an iPhone user, I say good for Tim Cook. If the Feds want to get a court order to look at Farook's phone, let 'em. But do not give them access to my phone just because some asshole happened to own an iPhone and may have used it to communicate with ISIS or whomever.

[Blarg]

If they want access to his phone records I can easily justify giving it to them. If they want access to all of the records I could see why you all would be afraid of a slippery slope.

 

It's not phone records, they have those. It is all saved messages, email and text information that they are interested in. If given the code to crack Apple's encryption they can access anyone's account at anytime. Even the CEO of Apple's phone without him knowing.

Edited February 18, 2016 by notti

[Stradling]

It's not phone records, they have those. It is all saved messages, email and text information that they are interested in. If given the code to crack Apple's encryption they can access anyone's account at anytime. Even the CEO of Apple's phone without him knowing.

Ok that makes more sense.

[Tank]

It's not phone records, they have those. It is all saved messages, email and text information that they are interested in. If given the code to crack Apple's encryption they can access anyone's account at anytime. Even the CEO of Apple's phone without him knowing.

I'm still wondering why they haven't been able to unlock the code yet on farooks phone. It's a four number code with a finite number of combinations. How is it they don't have some kind of technology to crack it yet?

Edited February 18, 2016 by Tank

[the dude abides]

I'm still wondering why they haven't been able to unlock the code yet on farooks phone. It's a four number code with a finite number of combinations. How is it they don't have some kind of technology to crack it yet?

It's a shitload of combinations if you add letters.

Plus, I think you only get a certain number of attempts before it locks out.

Edited February 18, 2016 by the dude abides

[nate]

I'm still wondering why they haven't been able to unlock the code yet on farooks phone. It's a four number code with a finite number of combinations. How is it they don't have some kind of technology to crack it yet?

 

One of the security features on an iPhone is that it will wipe the phone after a few failed attempts.

[Mark68]

I'm still wondering why they haven't been able to unlock the code yet on farooks phone. It's a four number code with a finite number of combinations. How is it they don't have some kind of technology to crack it yet?

Because the guy in "Limitless" doesn't actually exist.

[Mark68]

It's a shitload of combinations if you add letters.

Plus, I think you only get a certain number of attempts before it locks out.

Most iPhones that I'm aware of (including mine) only have a 4-digit code.

[Redondo]

  FBI yet to rule out third Calif. shooter

 

Eyewitness accounts of another militant at the San Bernardino attack are still being investigated.

 

[arch stanton]

Sounds like a perfect excuse to demand the iPhone data.

[Tank]

have we covered why the FBI isn't asking for a subpoena for just this one phone? it seems like the good people at apple ought to be able to unlock the code on this phone with a court order.

[arch stanton]

have we covered why the FBI isn't asking for a subpoena for just this one phone? it seems like the good people at apple ought to be able to unlock the code on this phone with a court order.

They can't. They would have to create software that would then exist for every occasion.

[ten ocho recon scout]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/san-bernardino-victims-families-call-apple-fbi-article-1.2535278

[nate]

The whole reason why the FBI went public with this was to try and get the public pressure on Apple.

[Spirit]

Stand strong, Apple.  Stand strong!

[Glen]

**** the FBI. Once this genie is out of the bottle it's never going back in. It's like if your wife wants to fist you. She keeps asking and asking and finally you give in, thinking that one time will be it. Six months later, she's shoving a baseball bat up there.

I don't want the FBI shoving a baseball bat up my ass.

[Blarg]

The whole reason why the FBI went public with this was to try and get the public pressure on Apple.

 

And the public reaction is pretty much stay out of our lives. 

[Blarg]

**** the FBI. Once this genie is out of the bottle it's never going back in. It's like if your wife wants to fist you. She keeps asking and asking and finally you give in, thinking that one time will be it. Six months later, she's shoving a baseball bat up there.

I don't want the FBI shoving a baseball bat up my ass.

 

AJ, any comment?