Official 2015-2016 Hot Stove Thread

[Docwaukee]

Jeff Fletcher predicts that if we sign one of the big OF names it will be Alex Gordon beceause he doesn't want high strikeout guys in the lineup.

it's not like he's some sort of high contact guy.  he averages about 140 per full season.  Cespedes is about the same.  Upton a few more.  Fowler about the same but none of them are low K guys.  

 

Span averages 80 and about 60 walks.  

 

I gotta be honest, I've got mental red flags going up all over the place for Gordon.  He's coming off a significant injury and entering his 32yo season.  He hits for ok power and Anaheim kills LHed power.  He right at the age where defense starts to decline and he gets a lot of his value from his defense.  

 

The safest bet was Heyward.  Upton is the next safest bet as he and Gordon have been similarly consistent but he is about 3.5 yrs younger.  If you are gonna go over the CBT threshold, get the best guy you can.  Not the cheapest.   

[ettin]

Amen brother!

[Docwaukee]

If we don't sign one of the big names I would rather we don't sign anyone and just roll with Navarro or something.  Sign someone next year.

there is no one.  seriously.  The best potentially available FA OFers next year are Colby Rasmus, Michael Saunders, and Josh Reddick plus a few guys in their late 30's.  It's really pretty awful.  

 

You've got to shore up the position this year unless you are going to trade some guys from our top notch farm system.  ooooooops.  

[Troll Daddy]

Yeah I hope they use RBI's

Don't forget walks

[bloodbrother]

Upton is the best available

[tdawg87]

it's not like he's some sort of high contact guy.  he averages about 140 per full season.  Cespedes is about the same.  Upton a few more.  Fowler about the same but none of them are low K guys.  

 

Span averages 80 and about 60 walks.  

 

I gotta be honest, I've got mental red flags going up all over the place for Gordon.  He's coming off a significant injury and entering his 32yo season.  He hits for ok power and Anaheim kills LHed power.  He right at the age where defense starts to decline and he gets a lot of his value from his defense.  

 

The safest bet was Heyward.  Upton is the next safest bet as he and Gordon have been similarly consistent but he is about 3.5 yrs younger.  If you are gonna go over the CBT threshold, get the best guy you can.  Not the cheapest.   

 

I think they want Gordon more because he hits from the left side.

 

I mean, Upton is the best player overall available. And I wouldn't complain about any of the three to be honest.

[ettin]

Something else people here are not totally grasping is that not only do we need to sign a quality OF because we need strong production out of that spot but if you get one of the young ones like Heyward or Upton they are much more likely to have value at the end of their contracts making a trade of them to help reboot the system a more likely scenario.

 

No one is going to want to trade for a 37 year old Alex Gordon.

[Troll Daddy]

you admittedly don't understand WAR yet you hope they don't use it.

It's like saying, 'boy, I sure hope they don't use physics to build that rocket.'

WAR is for fans like you who are looking for a shortcut to evaluate a player without actually scouting them.

You're right and I have no interest in understanding a stat that has many flaws.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Troll Daddy

[tdawg87]

WAR is for fans like you who are looking for a shortcut to evaluate a player without actually scouting them.

You're right and I have no interest in understanding a stat that has many flaws.

 

You have never "scouted" a player in your life. Please just stop trying.

[OregonLAA]

I'm ok with Gordon because of his defense. A left handed bat doesn't hurt either. Gordon would be a huge upgrade over the garbage we threw out there last year

[bloodbrother]

I wouldn't hate it. It breaks down like this for me

 

Best value/most likely to give you full return on investment - 28 yr old Justin Upton

Best "fit" for the Angels - Gordon

 

 

Do you simply ignore the best value for the sake of fit?

[Hollyw00d]

My next choice cespedes. Seems like a good chemistry guy and he has good memories in anaheim

[Chuck]

I think they want Gordon more because he hits from the left side.

 

I mean, Upton is the best player overall available. And I wouldn't complain about any of the three to be honest.

 

Lefthanded and he's the best left fielder in baseball defensively. 

 

I'll be honest, I'll be just fine with either one of Upton, Gordon or Cespedes. 

[Hollyw00d]

He's not a great fielder, but he can more than handle left, or right field even

[Chuck]

He's not a great fielder, but he can more than handle left, or right field even

 

Who you talking to?

[Troll Daddy]

You have never "scouted" a player in your life. Please just stop trying.

You're right ... I leave that to the FO

[Redondo]

OutsidePitchMLB: Options for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim now that Jason Heyward has found a destination

[gotbeer]

OutsidePitchMLB: Options for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim now that Jason Heyward has found a destination

 

 

Wait a minute? 

 

and Upton’s career .825 on base percentage are tempting also.

 

 

Sign me up for Upton.  That's got to be a record OBP for a career.  How can we lose?  He'd be on base all the time. 

[beatlesrule]

"Upton’s career .825 on base percentage"

 

LOL!  That is one of the worst typo's I've seen.  Sign him ASAP!

[gotbeer]

Lefthanded and he's the best left fielder in baseball defensively. 

 

I'll be honest, I'll be just fine with either one of Upton, Gordon or Cespedes. 

 

Cespedes also makes a lot of sense in that his term will probably be 4-5 years, and he doesn't have any compensation attached to him. 

[Stradling]

My first choice is Upton, but because we could keep our draft pick I would be ok with Cespedes depending on contract. I also wouldn't mind Gordon. I wonder how people would feel here if they decided to go get Cespedes but then sign Howie and lose their draft pick.

[ten ocho recon scout]

I dont "want" cespedes, but if we sign him (instead of upton, preferably for less than upton gets) ill still be happy and consider it a vast improvement

[LAAMike]

Can't we trade a SP for some of Colorado's excess OF'ers?  Blackmon and Dickerson have a lot of appeal. 

[Redondo]

My first choice is Upton, but because we could keep our draft pick I would be ok with Cespedes depending on contract. I also wouldn't mind Gordon. I wonder how people would feel here if they decided to go get Cespedes but then sign Howie and lose their draft pick.

 

I thought a lot of posters here were unhappy with Howie due to the amount of GIDP's he had.

[Stradling]

I thought a lot of posters here were unhappy with Howie due to the amount of GIDP's he had.

That ONE year.