Andrew Heaney to Angels for Howie Kendrick

[ten ocho recon scout]

Zobrist (not gonna happen) would be 'the piece' right now

[ukyah]

Grant Green to play 2nd? WTF? We are going from the team with the best record in the majors to a team that won't even make the playoffs this coming year because there will be a bunch of kids and unproven players starting. Giving up a proven big leaguer for a kid with potential who hasn't proved a single thing yet is beyond stupid.

classic mbell. oh wait, what? 

 

 

i'm torn between being too old for this shit or can't get enough.

[beatlesrule]

Why are people dismissing Rutledge? A combo of him and Green plus Heaney should outperform what Kendrick alone gave us.

[tdawg87]

Or all the other moves the Angels have made this offseason.

[Sherlock31]

There are a lot way to offset the lost of Kendrick, like be injury free for one, Hamilton, Calhoun, Skaggs, Richards, Freese all missed time, and then there were Ibanez and the ex-closer you know who..........

 

Wilson, Hamilton and Freese might rebound to their old form, Trout, Calhoun, Shoe, Cron and Green could still grow..........

 

And if anything go south, there are enough cap room for JD to make a deal or 2 to fix the problem, so I am not worry at all.  

[ettin]

Everyone arguing the Kendrick vs. Green/Heaney debate:

The reason teams have established veterans is because there is generally a steady and reliable production that those players give. When you bring in a prospect there is almost always going to be a wide 'error band' where the player can significantly play better or worse than their projected expectations. This is why good teams like to have a balanced core of veteran players with a slightly smaller sample of younger players or prospects.

Howie provided reliable, steady production for us at 2B. I don't think anyone here is really arguing against that notion.

Grant Green has shown an ability to hit the ball in limited playing time at the Major League level. Clearly there are questions about his defense at 2B and I think most people here believe he will not quite achieve the level of defense that Kendrick provided. However if he is merely average at it he will be close enough that we may not notice too much of a difference. Maybe we will, who knows?

Additionally Green's bat has been his better tool during his Minor League career and it appears that he could certainly approach Howie's offensive level given time and experience and repetitions.

Clearly, because many posters are unfamiliar with Green's profile and haven't really seen him play or scouted him, there is a lot of uncertainty about what to expect. When you add fan uncertainty on top of Grant's inexperience at the Major League level, it creates worry.

The expectation that Green will break out and fully replace Kendrick's production is as unlikely as Grant making error after error and doing poorly in the batter's box. They are both long shots.

The reality is that Grant will likely not embarrass himself on defense and should at least be average (or better) on offense.

GG has big shoes to fill but I don't think those shoes will slip off his feet when he walks onto the field.

[NachoPop]

If this year showed us anything it is that if you want to get to the World Series you need to not win your division, just the wild card. Thats what Jerry must be doing.

 

And i think they'll be just fine without Howie. They were going to have to replace him after next season anyway so it just gives them a chance to trial what they have and access accordingly. 

[stormngt]

Did you cut and paste this? I have seen you make the exact post word for word in another thread.

Grant Green to play 2nd? WTF? We are going from the team with the best record in the majors to a team that won't even make the playoffs this coming year because there will be a bunch of kids and unproven players starting. Giving up a proven big leaguer for a kid with potential who hasn't proved a single thing yet is beyond stupid.

[Docwaukee]

Why are people dismissing Rutledge? A combo of him and Green plus Heaney should outperform what Kendrick alone gave us.

I disagree.  Heaney will likely turn out to be very good, but for 2015 its unlikely he's an upgrade over whoever he'd be replacing as much as the downgrade of going from howie to green/rutledge.  at best it's a wash, but probably not for this year.  

[Lou]

Good trade for the future but the team isn't as good as it was last year at this point.

 

at this point last year our bp sucked, our rotation was weak and we had no idea Calhoun would be so good.

[laagamer]

classic mbell. oh wait, what? 

 

 

i'm torn between being too old for this shit or can't get enough.

 

[mtangelsfan]

at this point last year our bp sucked, our rotation was weak and we had no idea Calhoun would be so good.

 

I'm looking at the whole year, not just the first part.  

[laagamer]

I'm looking at the whole year, not just the first part.  

 

We're better than we were last year. Hands down. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Whether or not were a better team than last year is debatable. Guys could regress, 2B can be a hole, etc. But id say there is no doubt were a better organization now than last year. Having a crop of good, young starting pitchers is huge...something weve all envied other teams for for a long time

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Good but a bummer.

[ukyah]

 

 

 

people like to romanticize themselves. they think of themselves as riggs, but i believe in knowing thyself, and the truth is i'm murtaugh. all day long.

[Docwaukee]

 

but....you're bleck

[Guest]

We're better than we were last year. Hands down. 

Problem is so are the Rangers and the M's, and the A's/Astros are both complete wild cards.

[Docwaukee]

the current team is better than the one that started the 2014 season.  

 

I actually don't think Dipoto intended to trade howie.  I think the opportunity to get Heaney came out of nowhere and he couldn't pass it up.  

[nikkachez]

Judging from the Angels official website, Jerry isn't done. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bat added or another starter to replace CJ. 

[dimitrig]

the current team is better than the one that started the 2014 season.  

 

I actually don't think Dipoto intended to trade howie.  I think the opportunity to get Heaney came out of nowhere and he couldn't pass it up.  

 

Howie has been on the block for some time now.

[The Dude]

Howie has been on the block for some time now.

The maybe true, but I agree with Doc on this. I dont think they intended to trade Howie unless they were blown away by an offer. Obvioulsy Heaney was enough for Jerry to ship Howie out.

Edited December 12, 2014 by The Dude

[laagamer]

Problem is so are the Rangers and the M's, and the A's/Astros are both complete wild cards.

 

Then it should be a fun season no? 

[Redondo]

New Angels pitcher Andrew Heaney recalls whirlwind night of trades

 

A head-spinning turn of events at baseball’s winter meetings this week was a source of amusement for Andrew Heaney, the highly touted pitching prospect who was traded from the Miami Marlins to the Dodgers to the Angels within a span of about five minutes.

[NrM]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but this dude is awesome on twitter.

https://twitter.com/Heandog8/status/543535670623764480