Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

[Warfarin]

2 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

If anything Perry might want to finalize the bullpen then approach the top FA SS to show they are the last piece needed to make a run.

In all honesty, most of these guys will ultimately go to the highest bidder.  I don't think we need to "prove" ourselves.  If we beat their highest offer, they would come, especially because we play in a rather ideal environment (SoCal) compared to most of the rest of the world.

[Dtwncbad]

7 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

If anything Perry might want to finalize the bullpen then approach the top FA SS to show they are the last piece needed to make a run.

I very much doubt these premium SS are worried about what closer a team has.  They want money and whatever location they prefer.

“I would have signed with you but this other team had a better closer” is probably not at all in the equation. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by Dtwncbad

[Angels 1961]

I love this time of year, especially with moves already made

[Dtwncbad]

Angels have appeared to be aggressive so far this offseason.  I wonder if that possibly means moves earlier in the Winter Meetings versus later?

[HanfordGuy]

On 12/4/2022 at 10:58 AM, Mark68 said:

Sure, lets corner the market on lefties...

6 man lefty rotation with an all lefty bullpen!

[mmc]

 

[mmc]

 

[EdmontonAngelsFan]

WOW!

Here come the moves.

[Chuck]

Yikes!! 

[rafibomb]

Holy shit 11 years!

[m0nkey]

On 10/13/2022 at 1:01 PM, m0nkey said:

Him or Turner, though Turner is going to Philly

Geneous 

[HanfordGuy]

2 hours ago, mmc said:

 

There goes my fantasy of Kate Upton wearing an Angels unbuttoned buttoned down jersey (not red) with no under shirt. Maybe Shohei could steal Verlander’s girl.

[m0nkey]

Holy shit 11 years though

[mmc]

11 years brings the tax hit down, which is big for them since they're already over

[Angels 1961]

2 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Holy shit 11 years!

Will he be drawing his SSN at contracts end

[Warfarin]

A lot of Turner's value is tied to his SS defense.  His contract is through his age 40 season.  Yikes.

All that said though, for those who want action, I suspect that this, along with the deGrom and Verlander deals, should accelerate the market.  

I am curious if people here would want Turner here on the contract he just signed?

[angelsnationtalk]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

11 years brings the tax hit down, which is big for them since they're already over

Phillies owner is worth slightly less than Arte and he's going over the tax. 

[Warfarin]

1 minute ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Phillies owner is worth slightly less than Arte and he's going over the tax. 

Every single one of these owners can go way over the luxury tax limit if they want.  Some owners want to win more than others and will spend to do so.  I think it just is what it is.  We already know Arte's priority.

[mmc]

4 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

A lot of Turner's value is tied to his SS defense.  His contract is through his age 40 season.  Yikes.

All that said though, for those who want action, I suspect that this, along with the deGrom and Verlander deals, should accelerate the market.  

I am curious if people here would want Turner here on the contract he just signed?

Yes

[Warfarin]

6 minutes ago, mmc said:

11 years brings the tax hit down, which is big for them since they're already over

They were over last year.  Right now, even with Turner's deal added, they are a little below 220mil.  They could conceivably stay under, although it depends on what they do the rest of the offseason obviously.

[Dtwncbad]

10 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Holy shit 11 years!

I mean, I think this is basically just financing.  If a guy is going to commit 7or 8 years to you, why not spread it out and use the time value of money to your advantage?

[Pancake Bear]

That sets the market somewhat. Over the last two years, Turner has been the most valuable of the four, although not by much over Correa and Bogaerts. 10/320 for Correa?

[Warfarin]

Just now, Pancake Bear said:

That sets the market somewhat. Over the last two years, Turner has been the most valuable of the four, although not by much over Correa and Bogaerts. 10/320 for Correa?

It'll be interesting to see how Correa's contract compares to Turner's.  IMO, Turner is the better of the two.  Bogaerts will definitely get less than the two of them.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 minute ago, Pancake Bear said:

That sets the market somewhat. Over the last two years, Turner has been the most valuable of the four, although not by much over Correa and Bogaerts. 10/320 for Correa?

And 10/500 for Ohtani, basically.

Do it. Not my Yen.

[Stradling]

It’s weird that Turner would take $27 million a year.  But it is 11 years.