Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

[Warfarin]

For fun, here are the upcoming FA classes for the next three years, in case anyone is interested:

https://www.mlb.com/news/baseball-s-next-free-agent-classes

That FA SP class in 2 years looks absolutely spectacular.

[EdmontonAngelsFan]

2024-25 FA class for starters is unreal. I'll take a Woodruff, Buehler, Burnes or Bieber please. 

[Warfarin]

2 hours ago, EdmontonAngelsFan said:

2024-25 FA class for starters is unreal. I'll take a Woodruff, Buehler, Burnes or Bieber please. 

Yup.  I suspect the Dodgers will extend/retain Buehler, but the other 3 currently pitch for teams that are incredibly unlikely to re-sign them.  It's possible they will trade them, though, before then.

[mmc]

 

[Stradling]

So we now have two big dominoes that have fallen.

[Warfarin]

Kudos to the Mets.  Their luxury tax estimate is currently around 290mil.  It will be interesting to see how much more they do moving forward.  We can dream that this is our future, in terms of spending.

[m0nkey]

Mets season not over anymore!

[mmc]

 

[Dtwncbad]

4 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Kudos to the Mets

What’s his first name?  Is he any good?

[Chuck]

6 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

hmmmm

Sandoval for Arraez, sign Carlos Rodon? 

[beatlesrule]

Mets replaced DeGrom. Max and Justin are older but that's the best 1-2 of any team.

[mmc]

Would you guys make a trade around Sandoval and Arraez?

[Dtwncbad]

Just now, beatlesrule said:

Mets replaced DeGrom. Max and Justin are older but that's the best 1-2 of any team.

Don’t forget they just signed Randy Johnson on a one-year deal.

[Dtwncbad]

Just now, mmc said:

Would you guys make a trade around Sandoval and Arraez?

I wouldn’t.  I am convinced Sandoval is on the brink of being a very steady ace-ish pitcher. . . The kind of pitcher that can carry you in a postseason series.

[beatlesrule]

4 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

What’s his first name?  Is he any good?

[Chuck]

3 minutes ago, mmc said:

Would you guys make a trade around Sandoval and Arraez?

If the cost of one of Turner/Correa/Bogaerts is much higher than it would to sign Carlos Rodon.... Hell yeah you make that trade! 

But only if they sign a Sandoval type pitcher via FA, like a Rodon. 

[Warfarin]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

Would you guys make a trade around Sandoval and Arraez?

Not a chance.  Arrez had a career year.  Where would we even play him?  He's not a great defensive player and is mainly 1B/2B/3B with not much power.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

So I’ve seen a couple rumors the the Dodgers plan on lying low this off-season and not to expect them to commit long term money this year in preparation at making a mega offer for Ohtani next off season.  
 

can we get this sale on the roll so we can get owners in here that are ok with keeping him please. 

[beatlesrule]

1 minute ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

can we get this sale on the roll so we can get owners in here that are ok with keeping him please. 

Okay, I'll make some phone calls.

[Dtwncbad]

All kidding aside, it is nice to see the Astros lose Verlander, especially if he remains dominant.

Verlander to the Mets is a win for the Angels.

[Warfarin]

4 minutes ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

So I’ve seen a couple rumors the the Dodgers plan on lying low this off-season and not to expect them to commit long term money this year in preparation at making a mega offer for Ohtani next off season.  
 

can we get this sale on the roll so we can get owners in here that are ok with keeping him please. 

The one hope I have with this is the Dodgers seem very averse to giving out long-term contracts to pitchers.  They have only opted to sign guys to very high AAV, short-term deals, a la the Bauer contract.  Even Kershaw only got 3 years many years ago under Friedman's watch.

The thing is though that Ohtani does not seem to be too interested in going for the highest contract, but rather, the best opportunity to win.  If the Dodgers are serious players, then .. that is definitely a concern.  They could offer him something like a 3/150 deal, or something with a record-setting AAV, and he could conceivably take it, even if he has much better offers on the table.

[mmc]

5 minutes ago, Warfarin said:

Not a chance.  Arrez had a career year.  Where would we even play him?  He's not a great defensive player and is mainly 1B/2B/3B with not much power.

Couldn't you say the same thing about Sandoval, who is older than Arraez?

[Warfarin]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

Couldn't you say the same thing about Sandoval, who is older than Arraez?

Sure, you could.  But we need to hang onto our good, young pitching.  It is much harder to find good, young pitching than it is good hitting at the positions he plays.  Arraez, while he is good at hitting for average, does not have that much power, but mainly occupies positions that are traditionally power-producing (1B, 3B, and some 2B).  If he played SS, I would be all for it, but he does not.

[beatlesrule]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/carlos-rodon-rumors-six-year-deal-free-agency.html

[Angel Oracle]

10 minutes ago, mmc said:

Couldn't you say the same thing about Sandoval, who is older than Arraez?

Sandoval also pitched well in 2021, albeit less innings.

As mentioned before, I get a Cole Hamels vibe.

Rodon would be a risk to sign long term.  Had the shoulder injury in 2020.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Angel Oracle