Official 2022-23 Offseason Hot Stove Thread

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[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

The middle relief market is still just batshit crazy right now.

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[Chuck]

Just now, mmc said:

 

Good. No more Wily Adames trade scenarios! 

[tdawg87]

It's Boob so I expect him to get traded by tomorrow.

[Angels 1961]

9 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Good. No more Wily Adames trade scenarios! 

Price for Rosario just went up

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Price for Rosario just went up

It was already up. Angels aren't interested in the current price for his services. 

[Angel Oracle]

is it going to come down to signing Andrus for a year?

[rafibomb]

51 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

This makes me happy. I thought the Angels would have liked to add Wong (I am not that high on him) and this likely takes the Mariners out on signing one of the big SS.

[CanadianHalo]

21 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

is it going to come down to signing Andrus for a year?

Imagine not trading Ohtani at last years deadline when his value was at its peak to run it back one last time but with Urshela, Renfroe and Andrus

I like to think Perry kept Ohtani knowing he would be able to spend this offseason 

[T.G.]

Winker the Wanker out of the AL West... I'm kind of happy and sad about it at the same time.  I was looking forward to him getting plunked a few more times by Angels pitchers.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Kolten Wong is an outstanding second baseman. I have no idea why the Brewers would do that trade. Winker and Toro both suck.

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Kolten Wong is an outstanding second baseman. I have no idea why the Brewers would do that trade. Winker and Toro both suck.

Yeah the Mariners clearly upgraded at 2B with Wong over Frazier. They also did so by ridding themselves from two impotent bats. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

Jesus...Milwaukee is also sending 1.75M to Seattle per Jeff Passan to even out the cash difference.

Milwaukee got killed in this deal. Even though it's just a 1-year swap, I see literally no upside for the Brewers. I would think Wong had more value than that...Wong is basically a guaranteed 3-4 WAR guy.

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[Angels 1961]

8 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Jesus...Milwaukee is also sending 1.75M to Seattle per Jeff Passan to even out the cash difference.

Milwaukee got killed in this deal. Even though it's just a 1-year swap, I see literally no upside for the Brewers. I would think Wong had more value than that...Wong is basically a guaranteed 3-4 WAR guy.

Wong 17 errors and Winker wantz to play in NL

[Angels 1961]

36 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Imagine not trading Ohtani at last years deadline when his value was at its peak to run it back one last time but with Urshela, Renfroe and Andrus

I like to think Perry kept Ohtani knowing he would be able to spend this offseason 

Something is brewing for halos big deal coming soon. Minasian last chance to prove himself as GM. Perry has already done a lot, but BIG SPLASH is coming. Maybe trade or FA

[Make Angels Great Again]

3 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Wong 17 errors and Winker wantz to play in NL

 

This isn't 1993. Errors aren't a great way to measure fielding ability.

 

Wong didn't have a great 2022 for some reason, but up to now he's been arguably the best defensive second baseman in MLB.

[Inside Pitch]

9 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Yeah the Mariners clearly upgraded at 2B with Wong over Frazier. They also did so by ridding themselves from two impotent bats. 

Agree they didn't really lose anything but not sure its that clear of an upgrade.... They basically replaced Frazier with a year older version of Frazier.

Career.

K Wong -.261/.334/.398 - .732 -- 99 OPS+

Frazier - .273/.336/.392 - .728 -- 99 OPS+

So, they gained a bit defensively, maybe lose a bit flexibility wise, but seems like a lateral move.  Also makes it so we likely see more moves from JD which is always entertaining.

[Inside Pitch]

23 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Jesus...Milwaukee is also sending 1.75M to Seattle per Jeff Passan to even out the cash difference.

Milwaukee got killed in this deal. Even though it's just a 1-year swap, I see literally no upside for the Brewers. I would think Wong had more value than that...Wong is basically a guaranteed 3-4 WAR guy.

Wong has put up a 3.0+ fWAR season once in his entire career, four years ago when he was 28.  This will be his age 32 season and he's dangerously close to the 1200 games played figure which has historically been death to 2B.  I like Wong but I really believe he's massively overrated by people.  He's been a league average bat with better than league average defense which is always a quality play, but overrated.

[Make Angels Great Again]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Agree they didn't really lose anything but not sure its that clear of an upgrade.... They basically replaced Frazier with a year older version of Frazier.

Career.

K Wong -.261/.334/.398 - .732 -- 99 OPS+

Frazier - .273/.336/.392 - .728 -- 99 OPS+

So, they gained a bit defensively, maybe lose a bit flexibility wise, but seems like a lateral move.  Also makes it so we likely see more moves from JD which is always entertaining.

I don't know about that, look at Wong vs Frazier's last 3 years instead of their careers:

 

Wong
20: 90 OPS+ 1.3 WAR

21: 110 OPS+ 3.3 WAR

22: 118 OPS+ 3.1 WAR

 

Frazier

20: 79 OPS+ 0.8 WAR

21: 114 OPS+ 4.1 WAR

22: 80 OPS+ 0.9 WAR

 

It's not a massive upgrade, but an upgrade none the less. Wong seems a bit more consistent.

[Make Angels Great Again]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

Wong has put up a 3.0+ fWAR season once in his entire career, four years ago when he was 28.  This will be his age 32 season and he's dangerously close to the 1200 games played figure which has historically been death to 2B.  I like Wong but I really believe he's massively overrated by people.  He's been a league average bat with better than league average defense which is always a quality play, but overrated.

 

See above, though i'm looking at bWAR.

[Inside Pitch]

12 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

This isn't 1993. Errors aren't a great way to measure fielding ability.

Wong didn't have a great 2022 for some reason, but up to now he's been arguably the best defensive second baseman in MLB.

Yep, he's been top tier defensively.  Father Time is an A-Hole.  M's still likely improved defensively over Frazier.

[Inside Pitch]

3 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

See above, though i'm looking at bWAR.

Yes, you're looking at the bad version of WAR, the one noted for overstating defense.

[Inside Pitch]

8 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

It's not a massive upgrade, but an upgrade none the less. Wong seems a bit more consistent.

No doubt more consistent.  Just never been close to great save for one season four years ago.  For one year and 8.5 mil the Ms should be happy.

Trader Jerry will eventually get them a long term guy.