2021-22 CBA Negotiation/Lockout Thread (DEAL IS AGREED TO)

[Dtwncbad]

Some people wish there were more “lockouts”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ukyah]

18 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

It was actually kind of nice with how quickly the FA market moved.  They should lock the players out every year.  

put arte in charge of the CBA and you're golden. one year deals are his specialty.

[ScottT]

[Lou]

3 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Over under 3 hours of negotiating over those 2 months? 

Yes 

[Lou]

2 hours ago, m0nkey said:

#whenandwhere

Pho must be good for the memory.

[beatlesrule]

[mmc]

Teams are still allowed to sign players to minor league contracts right?

[Inside Pitch]

34 minutes ago, mmc said:

Teams are still allowed to sign players to minor league contracts right?

Yes.  

[Junkballer]

15 hours ago, Hubs said:

I don't understand why they can't sit down like adults and negotiate.

Owners: We want additional playoffs. More games and More teams.

Players: OK, have you considered adding two teams so there are more jobs for us? Plus expansion fees it would help with revenue "losses" from 2021.

Owners: Ok good point. If we add two teams will you agree to a salary cap?

Players: No, but we would consider a modified luxury tax if it came with a floor threshold. Two tiers each.

Owners: Ok, how about a $200 Million dollar luxury tax and a $75M floor.

Players: How about $250 and $125. 

Owners: Let's meet in the middle at $225 and $100 but a soft cap, with penalties on both sides.

Players: Ok, well, if you factor in adjustments based on media contracts, average ticket price, and attendance numbers, unless you want to open your books further? And will the penalties be distributed to the players?

Owners: Hell no we're not opening our books, ok we agree on adjustments on those three factors. 

Players: Only increases though, no reduction, but we'll give you a pandemic clause. And the Penalty Money?

Owners: Ok, that works for us. Penalty money distributed equally across all non-tax paying teams.

Players: And it's spent on the following years players salaries?

Owners: Uh, no, how about 1/2.

Players: 2/3. 

Owners: Ok. Can we get 4 extra playoff teams then?

Players: Sure, if you lower arbitration to second year. And free agency to year 5.

Owners: How about in the third year, regardless of service time, and in the sixth season, regardless of service time. September callups excluded.

Players: Or at age 28. Whichever is sooner.

Owners: At 30.

Players: We can agree on 29. But we want free agency after 5 full years, or sixth year of service.

Owners: If you'll limit contracts to 6 free agent years. And agree to arbitration based on WAR.

Players: 7 free agent years, and we get universal DH.

Owners: Done. But we need an updated cheating policy and updated domestic violence policy.

Players: Only if more additional playoff revenue comes to players. And a cut of merchandising revenue.

Owners: We'll give you 1/3 of the extra money for Playoffs, if you agree to the arbitration changes.

Players: Well, 1/2 only if the WAR number for arbitration is calculated based on average player salary plus 25%. And players get a bigger cut of their jersey and memorabilia sales. 

Owners: We can live with that. If you let us sell advertising on uniforms and broadcast more games on MLB and streaming platforms. And gambling revenue. 

Players: We can do that too. Assuming we get a cut of new streaming revenue, and uniform advertising revenue.

Owners: Ok, great. We'll draw up the new CBA and get it to you for review next week.

Players: Great.

 

 

 

 

The two sides aren't individuals but conglomerates that have disparate priorities and imperatives within their members.  Add the pressure of the fact that each negotiation sets precedence for subsequent negotiations and you have drama that drags out until both parties suffer more from the delay than by compromise.   It is typical for most collective bargaining settings.  Some are more comfortable with brinksmanship than others.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Junkballer

[m0nkey]

5 hours ago, Lou said:

Pho must be good for the memory.

Genetics

[Lou]

7 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Genetics

You're welcome

[Angel Oracle]

7 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

Some people wish there were more “lockouts”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lucky SOB, that Kevin Kline

[Dtwncbad]

7 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Lucky SOB, that Kevin Kline

Yeah she was legit

[Stradling]

I wasn’t sure which thread this should go in but looks like we will no longer lose Michael Stefanic. 

[Lou]

Just now, Stradling said:

I wasn’t sure which thread this should go in but looks like we will no longer lose Michael Stefanic. 

Crap, i was looking forward to the faux outrage.

[Inside Pitch]

14 minutes ago, Lou said:

Crap, i was looking forward to the faux outrage.

You underestimate the potential outrage over losing some A ball pitcher people had never heard of before

 

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

You underestimate the potential outrage over losing some Low A pitcher people had never heard of before

 

The year we lost Yordani Castellano to the Pirates and Vance del Carmen to the Braves was fucking disastrous.

[arch stanton]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

The year we lost Yordani Castellano to the Pirates and Vance del Carmen to the Braves was fucking disastrous.

Yeah For the Pirates and Braves it was

[Inside Pitch]

14 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

The year we lost Yordani Castellano to the Pirates and Vance del Carmen to the Braves was fucking disastrous.

We still hang an extra stocking up at Xmas in their honor at my house.

[T.G.]

So... the players are open to having ads/company logos on their uniforms?  Hmmm.  I have an idea...

Edited December 2, 2021 by True Grich

[Blarg]

Chico's Bail Bonds?

[T.G.]

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Chico's Bail Bonds?

Strictly first class stuff for me.

 

[T.G.]

Chuck is probably going to want a cut of the revenue. 

Maybe it's time for the AW posters to unionize!

[Chuck]

16 minutes ago, True Grich said:

So... the players are open to having ads/company logos on their uniforms?  Hmmm.  I have an idea...

Yeah buddy! 

[eligrba]

Mustang Ranch?