The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Chuck]

4 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Musgrove would be a trade. Probably not cheap either.

I updated my post to reflect just FA's. 

[m0nkey]

I think his HOF chances are officially gone now 

[GrittyVeterans]

4 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

I think his HOF chances are officially gone now 

They were already gone but yeah. Guys an idiot. I had a feeling he was on roids again when I saw the numbers he put up last year

Mets have a lot of money to spend now. It’s too bad that couldn’t have happened to Pujols...lol

[DMVol]

Kind of a weird deal....a team is thrilled about a positive test....

[Inside Pitch]

16 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

I think his HOF chances are officially gone now 

Well, at this point it's hard to believe he was ever clean.   Dude was a non-prospect until he went absolutely apeshit at age 22 in AAA.  His MLB career OPS of .844 is over 80 points higher than his career numbers in the minors, and we aren't talking a small sample, he had over 2K minor league PAs

[GrittyVeterans]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Well, at this point it's hard to believe he was ever clean.   Dude was a non-prospect until he went absolutely apeshit at age 22 in AAA.  His MLB career OPS of .844 is over 80 points higher than his career numbers in the minors, and we aren't talking a small sample, he had over 2K minor league PAs

So taking Roids made him over 200 million dollars. Absolutely worth it

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, GrittyVeterans said:

So taking Roids made him over 200 million dollars. Absolutely worth it

I think every player in MLB that took them believed it was worth it after they got paid.   His career will still be looked at as a lie.

[mmc]

 

[JustATroutFan]

Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame despite cheating when he was a pitcher in the big leagues. Yet, you have guys like Bonds and Clemens who were Hall of Farmers before their PED usage. And they’re still not in the Hall of Fame. Hypocritical voters. Bunch of fakes just like the Dodgers’ asterisk 2020 World Series title. 

[mmc]

 

[Redondo]

Perry starting to work on the farm. 

[Docwaukee]

18 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

I'm excited for us to find the next Paul McAnulty.  

[Erstad Grit]

38 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

McCurry is intriguing. He has been Astros AAA closer. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

54 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame despite cheating when he was a pitcher in the big leagues. Yet, you have guys like Bonds and Clemens who were Hall of Farmers before their PED usage. And they’re still not in the Hall of Fame. Hypocritical voters. Bunch of fakes just like the Dodgers’ asterisk 2020 World Series title. 

I am in favor of Bonds and Clemens being in the HoF, but I think the discussion deserves a lot more nuance than this...

[fan_since79]

1 hour ago, m0nkey said:

I think his HOF chances are officially gone now 

I'm glad MLB is finally getting tough with these drug users. It's about time!

/sarcasm

[Pancake Bear]

1 hour ago, m0nkey said:

I think his HOF chances are officially gone now 

StanozoLOL

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

StanozoLOL

He has to be the biggest idiot of all time.  How does someone with 200+ mil get popped for that one?   That's the roid the guys still trying to hit their way off the island use.   Did he just want a year off?

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

I'm excited for us to find the next Paul McAnulty.  

Now that was one big peanut.

[kevinb]

7 hours ago, Stradling said:

And if you aren’t paying Bauer any money after his 35th birthday, you probably aren’t signing him.  He’s getting 6-7 years. 

Maybe. He's 29 now offer him more money until the 35th year. There's zero chance if I am the owner I want to be stuck with an older player with a big salary who's at higher risk for injury. I will let someone else take on that risk. I like Bauer and think he's awesome but the same thing I said about Trout and Cole etc applies. I wouldn't pay anyone over the age of their 35th birthday season. 

[kevinb]

8 hours ago, Dochalo said:

If you won't consider a guy like Darvish where you take money on for an older guy then it's gonna be next to impossible to add a potential front of the rotation arm.  No amount of prospects is going to pry away a young front of the rotation starter who isn't owed a lot of money.  

I agree with you btw that there is tremendous risk with Darvish and his age relative to what he's owed.  I wouldn't trade any of our top prospects for him either.  But the reality is that if that's the Angels stance, then they likely aren't going to acquire a guy who can pitch at the top of the rotation.  

But I may be one of the few who is ok with that.  I personally feel like we can get away with having a solid rotation as opposed to what we saw with teams like the Nats or Astros a couple years ago.  I don't think people realize how rare it is to be able to put something like that together.  Almost historically good.  

My main premise is that the Angels need to avoid the Teheran's, the Harvey's and Cahills, and Allens and Giavotellas and Rafael Ortegas and Danny Espinosas or Ben Revere/Maybin combos or Valbuenas (RIP), or Cozarts or Chris Young types or getting -2 WAR from a position or that pitcher with an ERA of 9 that makes half a season worth of starts or pitches half a seasons worth of innings out of the pen.  

You're never going to completely get away from that so having it at a spot or two is understood.  Just not at like 5 or 6 spots.  

I just don't think Darvish is the investment you want. I don't think the Angels need a 35 year old pitcher on the downside of his career. In 2018 and 2019 he had an over 4 era and this year he had a 2.23 era. If I were to guess next year a year older and a hopefully full season, covid being gone and all, I would bet he would be around the same numbers he put up in 2018 and 2019 and not what he put up in a shortened 2020. The Angels can't accept that level of risk, they need more sure things than another over paid guy who may or may not be injury prone. 

[tdawg87]

32 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

I just don't think Darvish is the investment you want. I don't think the Angels need a 35 year old pitcher on the downside of his career. In 2018 and 2019 he had an over 4 era and this year he had a 2.23 era. If I were to guess next year a year older and a hopefully full season, covid being gone and all, I would bet he would be around the same numbers he put up in 2018 and 2019 and not what he put up in a shortened 2020. The Angels can't accept that level of risk, they need more sure things than another over paid guy who may or may not be injury prone. 

You just described every pitcher.

[IEAngelsfan]

7 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

So taking Roids made him over 200 million dollars. Absolutely worth it

Yeah.....until  he hits 50 (age) and his junk resembles a dried up serrano pepper and his nuts simply fall off.

[eligrba]

12 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

You just described every Angel pitcher.

fify

[Jay]

So where did Eppler land? Or is he still in orbit?

 

[Inside Pitch]

30 minutes ago, Jay said:

So where did Eppler land? Or is he still in orbit?

 

He hasn't.  There was only one other GM spot open, Miami.   Phillies are staying in house and then making their choice next year when McPhail retires.