The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[eligrba]

12 hours ago, Dochalo said:

There is something secretly satisfying to me about winning with lesser moves.  Like a one or two year deal on a kick ass reliever. 

We would feel what the A's and Ray's fans feel.  I can live with that.

[eligrba]

I wonder if Bauer is waiting for Springer to sign?

[Erstad Grit]

24 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Maybe that's what bauer is waiting for. The loser for Springer goes big on him

[floplag]

1 hour ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Really hoping Blue Jays can get Springer. Mets already have a solid rotation so they might go after Brantley if they miss on Springer. 

Likely leaving Bauer between Angels and White Sox

Bauer market much deeper than i thought, Angels, Mets, Jays, Chisox... Mets seem to have greater need in OF.  Still think its really between us and Chisox.

[Duren, Duren]

He's going to the White Sox. Perceived as a serious young contending team already. Besides, they sent in their special negotiators to assure a happy welcome.

[Second Base]

8 minutes ago, floplag said:

Bauer market much deeper than i thought, Angels, Mets, Jays, Chisox... Mets seem to have greater need in OF.  Still think its really between us and Chisox.

I don't think the Angels have enough payroll space to sign Bauer AND still fill the other vacancies with the team (back end starter, late inning reliever, and RF). And I just don't think the Angels fit what he said he values in a team, an organization that will partner with him on marketing. The Angels stars (Trout, Rendon, Ohtani and Pujols) don't go out of their way to market themselves like that and the team certainly takes pride in the fact that they don't force them into roles they don't want to be in. 

Honestly, I think Bauer waited too long. I think his suitors have dried up and he won't get what he's looking for. The Mets went a different direction by getting Carrasco and are allocating money toward an OF. The Angels have too many needs and aren't the right fit. The White Sox went and acquired Lance Lynn to fill out the rotation and have since focused on lengthening and strengthening their bullpen, which is a smart move. The Dodgers certainly don't need to overspend on him. 

I think Bauer is going to get suck with taking a lesser than anticipated deal with the Blue Jays, which, good for them.

[Erstad Grit]

13 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I don't think the Angels have enough payroll space to sign Bauer AND still fill the other vacancies with the team (back end starter, late inning reliever, and RF). And I just don't think the Angels fit what he said he values in a team, an organization that will partner with him on marketing. The Angels stars (Trout, Rendon, Ohtani and Pujols) don't go out of their way to market themselves like that and the team certainly takes pride in the fact that they don't force them into roles they don't want to be in. 

Honestly, I think Bauer waited too long. I think his suitors have dried up and he won't get what he's looking for. The Mets went a different direction by getting Carrasco and are allocating money toward an OF. The Angels have too many needs and aren't the right fit. The White Sox went and acquired Lance Lynn to fill out the rotation and have since focused on lengthening and strengthening their bullpen, which is a smart move. The Dodgers certainly don't need to overspend on him. 

I think Bauer is going to get suck with taking a lesser than anticipated deal with the Blue Jays, which, good for them.

Would Jays have room if they sign Springer?

[floplag]

16 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I don't think the Angels have enough payroll space to sign Bauer AND still fill the other vacancies with the team (back end starter, late inning reliever, and RF). And I just don't think the Angels fit what he said he values in a team, an organization that will partner with him on marketing. The Angels stars (Trout, Rendon, Ohtani and Pujols) don't go out of their way to market themselves like that and the team certainly takes pride in the fact that they don't force them into roles they don't want to be in. 

Honestly, I think Bauer waited too long. I think his suitors have dried up and he won't get what he's looking for. The Mets went a different direction by getting Carrasco and are allocating money toward an OF. The Angels have too many needs and aren't the right fit. The White Sox went and acquired Lance Lynn to fill out the rotation and have since focused on lengthening and strengthening their bullpen, which is a smart move. The Dodgers certainly don't need to overspend on him. 

I think Bauer is going to get suck with taking a lesser than anticipated deal with the Blue Jays, which, good for them.

I agree with virtually all of this.  I never actually thought Bauer was realistic unless they were willing to blow the tax for these next 2 years.
We still need a RF, to lock down the pen, and SP help.
The market is deep on tier two SP, lots of options, and i think Kluber may have set that market as few if any could argue they deserve more than he got.
Everyone wants the ace, the name, but they dont want to pay them and they dont want to give up what it will take to get them in trade, its almost become mental masturbation and were all caught in a giant circle jerk.

[angelsnationtalk]

Jon Heyman said on MLB Network that the Angels are likely favorites for Trevor Bauer. 

Bauer to Chicago confirmed is what it means 

[angelsnationtalk]

Padres just traded for Joe Musgrove. DEAR GOD

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

We likely can’t swing Bauer and Tanaka, right? What about Bauer + Paxton?

[Pancake Bear]

Arte needs to put his big boy pants on and sign Bauer. Only other upgrade potentially needed is relief pitching - could maybe trade for someone. Something similar to the Goodwin pickup two years ago will work for RF. Put all the budget in on Bauer and raise it if you have to. 

[Pancake Bear]

1 minute ago, Angels_Make_Me_Drink said:

We likely can’t swing Bauer and Tanaka, right? What about Bauer + Paxton?

Most don't think we can afford Bauer at all, let alone adding another 10-15m to the budget in addition. I'm conservative: I say get Bauer and anything else needed due at minimum or thereabouts. 

[bloodbrother]

Lester to the Nats

 

[Pancake Bear]

Pitching disappearing fast. 

[Second Base]

Lester and Musgrove.....frick.

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Pancake Bear said:

Most don't think we can afford Bauer at all, let alone adding another 10-15m to the budget in addition. I'm conservative: I say get Bauer and anything else needed due at minimum or thereabouts. 

We cant, if were locked in budget wise, that simple math.
We could if they are willing to forego that for the two years it will take to drop 60M off the payroll. 
If they are not willing to do this, they should have traded Trout.
This is the window weve all talked about Hou falling back, a chance to jump to the front of the line, and if they let those two contracts block it they wasted all our time.  what did they think the plan was for 24?   

[mmc]

 

[Second Base]

[Lou]

Lester sucks

[Stradling]

Yea, being upset that Lester is off the market is really dumb.  It’s like being pissed that Shelby Miller is off the market.  

[Pancake Bear]

35 minutes ago, floplag said:

We cant, if were locked in budget wise, that simple math.
We could if they are willing to forego that for the two years it will take to drop 60M off the payroll. 
If they are not willing to do this, they should have traded Trout.
This is the window weve all talked about Hou falling back, a chance to jump to the front of the line, and if they let those two contracts block it they wasted all our time.  what did they think the plan was for 24?   

That's more or less what I meant, I just didn't state it clearly. 

[Revad]

2 hours ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Padres just traded for Joe Musgrove. DEAR GOD

Well thats not encouraging.  But we are going to get a pitcher sometime in the future, right guys?

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, Revad said:

Well thats not encouraging.  But we are going to get a pitcher sometime in the future, right guys?

Yes.  I’ll shoot you an email when it happens.  

[Hubs]

If Bauer signed today too, I can understand the worry. The more I think about it though I don’t know if we’ll trade for a starter, at least one that has been rumored on the block. 
I’m fine with Barria as the 6th guy if they get Bauer. They have Naughton, Sandoval, Suarez, Detmers, and others in reserve. If they get Richards and Walker and Joc I’m fine with that too.