angelsnationtalk 545 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Crazy thought... With teams starting to report that they are cutting some payroll for 2021 I wonder if this gives Arte a different feeling by facts we can confirm:1: Arte Moreno basically stole the stadium and surrounding acres from Anaheim for less than half the price of Mike Trout. We thought $325M was cheap but he got it for $150M. (money saver/money multiplier)2: Mike Trout is tired of losing and as Carpino said.... they feel it "Every day". So you really think payroll will go the opposite way?3: Despite his over "ownering" tendencies, we can all agree that Arte Moreno wants to win. Period. AND he will do whatever it takes. Huge contracts to Pujols, Hamilton, Wilson, Trout, Rendon, Upton4: Back to the stadium deal. He knows he won the price when it came to buying the area. Down the road, his pockets will double. Easily. No matter what hard times we are in right now. He's sitting on a soon to be gold mine.5: Arte knows he's getting older and that's likely making him slowly more impatient. Not much time left to see a winner Does the fact that owners have lost revenue impact this FA class? Sure. Perhaps bigger names (Bauer, etc) would have to take smaller (kinda) contracts. Could be a lot of 1yr deals. Given Arte will be paying Ausmus, Maddon, Eppler and the new GM in 2021 AND he's put that on himself during the pandemic makes me think he can care less about a little extra cost. He didn't wait till the 2022 season for Ausmus and Eppler to get off the books. I don't expect Moreno to shy away from impact deals during the Winter Meetings in the next few months. As optimistic as this is, he's in win now mode (shocker). Even if he has to eat some debt the next few seasons I doubt it will hurt him. Once the plans for the Platinum Triangle start he's going to start racking in tons (more) of revenue. Don't sleep on Arte. He's one hell of a businessman and he isn't afraid of what the economy did this year. The Angels are about to enter a panic mode to get Trout in the playoffs. Expect some changes in the front office and roster and expect the Angels to head into the 2020 Winter Meetings with one goal. Win and win everything in 2021. Period. Chuckster70 and eligrba 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stradling 26,475 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I don’t mean to be “that guy” because I like to be a positive person, but, Arte was never going to pay $325 million for the land. He knew going in what he had to do to pay $150 million, so he did that. It’s like saying, I was going to buy a Mike Trout rookie card for $1500, but I saw one for $3250, but then I bought the one for $1500, so now I have a lot more money to spend. As for his pockets doubling, he very well may not be alive by the time all of this is completed, it is going to take 10-20 years to see completion. I do hope Arte takes that approach of continuing to invest in the team. I hope a huge commitment financially is made to hiring a new Baseball Ops guy, then a GM, and then he invests a ton in the scouting, by hiring a bunch of respected scouts that were furloughed by other teams. Then I hope he gets us pitching for the short term, while the long term plan starts. Jeremiah, Spin Rate, Angel Oracle and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ace-Of-Diamonds 3,728 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) Hope he wants to see a championship before it's too late. Autry never got to see his Angels win the WS. Edited October 6 by Ace-Of-Diamonds Angel Oracle 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bronson 969 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Spin Rate, Angel Oracle, angelsnationtalk and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spin Rate 15,624 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 How does one "win" the Winter Meetings? T.G. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yk9001 7,328 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, Spin Rate said: How does one "win" the Winter Meetings? I don't know, but I think that this will be Arte's fifth Winter Meetings Championship. Vegas Halo Fan, ukyah, mtangelsfan and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 24,105 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, Spin Rate said: How does one "win" the Winter Meetings? it involves a magic marker, a butterfly net, and a couple of spatulas. that's all i'm allowed to tell you right now. Vegas Halo Fan, Spin Rate, eligrba and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 24,105 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, yk9001 said: I don't know, but I think that this will be Arte's fifth Winter Meetings Championship. i hope we get a new patch out of it. Vegas Halo Fan and Angel Oracle 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fourts 217 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 27 minutes ago, Spin Rate said: How does one "win" the Winter Meetings? I heard Manfred is expanding the playoffs for the 2020 Winter Meetings as well. That should make it a bit easier for Arte in winning this year's Winter Meetings. Vegas Halo Fan, Angel Oracle and Erstad Grit 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Warfarin 1,505 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 While I'd like to believe in this, this is probably a bit overly optimistic. If Arte really wants to win, he needs to build this team's front office and scouting/analytic infrastructure far more than he needs to spend a lot of money on one single player. Sure, signing Bauer will help us, but he really needs to do both (ideally). Hopefully his top lieutenants can advise him of this ... DCAngelsFan, jordan and Jeremiah 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eligrba 4,516 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 3 hours ago, Spin Rate said: How does one "win" the Winter Meetings? By showing up on time. Billy_Ball, Tank, T.G. and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eligrba 4,516 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 3 hours ago, Tank said: i hope we get a new patch out of it. The Mariners will get a new banner. Tank and Angel Oracle 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou 41,196 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 You guys actually think the winter meetings are going to take place? yk9001 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Junkballer 462 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Arte will do anything to win this guy. mtangelsfan, Vegas Halo Fan and Fourts 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trendon 50 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 The team that "wins the Winter Meetings" is never good the following season. I think at best Arte spends at a similar level to what he did this past season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwncbad 3,151 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 You can’t just consider the lower amount Arte paid ($150m instead of $375m) and think this automatically means it is more profitable for Moreno. He now has an obligation to produce 500 low income housing units instead of (potentially) high-end luxury units. Low income housing units are worth less if you sell them, and generate way less revenue if you keep them. The difference is $350k per unit. Yes he paid less, but what he ends up with is worth way less too. He isn’t pocketing $175m. Angel Oracle 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yk9001 7,328 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 You guys do understand that baseball ownership in this decade is about real estate development. Baseball is secondary, and may be tertiary. LetsGoHalos, Jeremiah and TroutCron 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Junkballer 462 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 I'm more curious about whether there will be some serious discussion of roll-back of some of the rule and playoff changes, as well as getting the minor leagues back on track. Angel Oracle 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Redondo 2,402 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 46 minutes ago, Lou said: You guys actually think the winter meetings are going to take place? McNulty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Angel Oracle 12,802 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 5 hours ago, Tank said: it involves a magic marker, a butterfly net, and a couple of spatulas. that's all i'm allowed to tell you right now. And showing up on time each winter (see J. Pierrepont Reagins) Billy_Ball 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T.G. 10,424 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, eligrba said: By showing up on time. 18 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said: And showing up on time each winter (see J. Pierrepont Reagins) Angel Oracle 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 24,105 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, Lou said: You guys actually think the winter meetings are going to take place? of course they will, brady style. ten ocho recon scout 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou 41,196 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Just now, Tank said: of course they will, brady style. #pooralice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 24,105 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 6 minutes ago, Lou said: #pooralice she was expendable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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