FACK!! Ohtani has UCL grade 2 sprain

[Stradling]

Just now, Angels#1Fan said:

So they say.

 

[Angels#1Fan]

1 minute ago, CubsFan said:

Not really a risk considering how little they are paying him.

If you were an Angel fan you would understand but since you aren't....

[CubsFan]

Why does everybody have so many problems with their elbow on the Angels.  Really that rarely happens anywhere else.  There must be some reason.

[CubsFan]

[YouthofToday]

Ohtani won’t be moved to the bullpen unless he asks to be moved. I highly, highly doubt this will ever happen.

the Angels must stick to the plan and keep him as a starter. He’s far more valuable as a starter. 

[Taylor]

I like how people freak out and attempt to give Ohtani and the Angels medical staff advice, as if they don't have a sense of urgency or the expertise to know what's best for Ohtani at this point. 

[Stradling]

Just now, CubsFan said:

Why does everybody have so many problems with their elbow on the Angels.  Really that rarely happens anywhere else.  There must be some reason.

I am guessing the Angels in the last 10 years are middle of the road for TJ surgeries.  But the last 3 years has been brutal.  Before Skaggs I don't remember the last major league pitcher on the Angels that had TJ surgery.  We probably went about 20 years without having a single pitcher need it.  Also look at the Rays this year.  

[nando714]

5 minutes ago, CubsFan said:

Yeah but he used to throw 102 mph.  So that's an 8 mph drop for him.

Didn’t he throw 101 against Detroit, his start before KC

[YouthofToday]

1 minute ago, CubsFan said:

Why does everybody have so many problems with their elbow on the Angels.  Really that rarely happens anywhere else.  There must be some reason.

Proof the Angels have more TJ surgeries of impact players than most other teams?

could also be a result of the team taking more risk with draft prospects to make up for a lackluster system the past 7 years or so.

 

[Stradling]

Just now, nando714 said:

Didn’t he throw 101 against Detroit, his start before KC

He also threw one 99 in his last start.  He throws harder as the game goes.  

[ettin]

I am really kind of glad that my new job keeps me so f'ing busy that I don't see news like this until well after the fact.

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, The Boogie Man said:

I am guessing the Angels in the last 10 years are middle of the road for TJ surgeries.  But the last 3 years has been brutal.  Before Skaggs I don't remember the last major league pitcher on the Angels that had TJ surgery.  We probably went about 20 years without having a single pitcher need it.  Also look at the Rays this year.  

https://mlbreports.com/tj-surgery/

2016 was bad year for the Angels. But yeah overall it averages out.

[bloodbrother]

2 minutes ago, CubsFan said:

Why does everybody have so many problems with their elbow on the Angels.  Really that rarely happens anywhere else.  There must be some reason.

What? It's happening all around MLB. Look at the Rays this year as an example. THey've had about 4 starters get hurt this season

Prior to the past few seasons, I think the Angels had actually been pretty lucky with regards to pitcher health if I recall. I can't remember them having so many guys go down with TJS prior to 2015-2016

Unfortunately they're getting hit with wave after wave every single season now

[mulwin444]

1 minute ago, The Boogie Man said:

He also threw one 99 in his last start.  He throws harder as the game goes.  

Yeah, I believe I read a tweet from Fletcher saying he touched 99 sooner than he normally does during his start in DET

[Stradling]

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/tampa-bay-rays-team-injuries

[mulwin444]

Just now, bloodbrother said:

What? It's happening all around MLB. Look at the Rays this year as an example. THey've had about 4 starters get hurt this season

Prior to the past few seasons, I think the Angels had actually been pretty lucky with regards to pitcher health if I recall. I can't remember them having so many guys go down with TJS prior to 2015-2016

Unfortunately they're getting hit with wave after wave every single season now

Could be because a lot of pitchers coming from Little League through High School throw a lot of innings year round leading up to them being drafted...add in time in the minors and you have a lot of mileage on an arm at a young age

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, bloodbrother said:

Unfortunately they're getting hit with wave after wave every single season now

The good news was 2017 was a good year.
The bad news it was because everyone was recovering from their 2016 TJ surgery.

[yamsi12]

Well thank god he isn’t costing us much.

[YouthofToday]

Just now, mulwin444 said:

Could be because a lot of pitchers coming from Little League through High School throw a lot of innings year round leading up to them being drafted...add in time in the minors and you have a lot of mileage on an arm at a young age

This. That plus kids know the harder they throw the more $ they will receive when drafted. Radar guns were rarely used until the 1980s.

[bloodbrother]

Isn't the splitter known to be more taxing on the forearm/elbow too or was that all just a bunch of speculation? Obviously that's one of Ohtani's go-to secondary pitches

 

[Angel Oracle]

Let's see...

Rick Reichardt kidney problems, excellent closer Minnie Rojas paralyzed in auto accident, promising SS Mike Miley passing away in auto accident, Lyman Bostock murdered, bus crash in 1992, Nick Adenhart passing away from auto accident, once in generation player Pujols becoming just above average pretty quickly after coming here, Morales' freak injury derailing very good career, and now this plus others too numerous to mention!!!!     What other MLB franchise has gone through that much over the past 5+ decades?       

[Angel Oracle]

6 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

Could be because a lot of pitchers coming from Little League through High School throw a lot of innings year round leading up to them being drafted...add in time in the minors and you have a lot of mileage on an arm at a young age

Maybe the summer ball has gotten too common, too many innings too soon?   Splitters are rumored to affect the forearm, maybe they shouldn't be thrown so often? 

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

Let's see...

Rick Reichardt kidney problems, Minnie Rojas auto accident, promising SS Mike Miley passing away in auto accident, Lyman Bostock murdered, bus crash in 1992, Nick Adenhart passing away from auto accident, once in generation player Pujols becomes just above average pretty quickly after coming here, Morales' freak injury derailing very good career, and now this plus others too numerous to mention!!!!     What other MLB franchise has gone through that much over the past 5+ decades?       

The Pujols signing had red flags from the start. 

[Lhalo]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Let's see...

Rick Reichardt kidney problems, Minnie Rojas auto accident, promising SS Mike Miley passing away in auto accident, Lyman Bostock murdered, bus crash in 1992, Nick Adenhart passing away from auto accident, once in generation player Pujols becomes just above average pretty quickly after coming here, Morales' freak injury derailing very good career, and now this plus others too numerous to mention!!!!     What other MLB franchise has gone through that much over the past 5+ decades?       

Don’t forget Don Baylor (RIP) breaking his leg simply catching a ceremonial first pitch. 

[mulwin444]

3 minutes ago, YouthofToday said:

This. That plus kids know the harder they throw the more $ they will receive when drafted. Radar guns were rarely used until the 1980s.

My Dad was drafted into the Phillies system out of High School in 1967.  He said he only pitched High School ball and played other sports in the offseason like football or basketball so he thinks he got a bit of a break which helped the following season with "dead arm" phases.