Official 2015-2016 Hot Stove Thread

[tomsred]

We probably could just about have Gordon for 5/$75 (my estimate 5/$90), now wouldn't you just as well take Gordon over Leake?

[mrwicked]

I liked the idea of Leake after the Simmons trade, when I thought we were placing an emphasis on defense. But since then, I really have no idea what the F we are doing, so that seems like a big waste of $15M per season.

 

angels front office:

[AngelStew43]

Leake is Jared Weaver two years from now.  I'm glad we passed.

[tdawg87]

The Royals have been told by Alex Gordon’s camp that they have “no chance” to re-sign their franchise cornerstone as things currently stand, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. Gordon’s camp is seeking a contract that will pay him upwards of $20MM per season, and Heyman hears that Kansas City has only offered four years, noting that Jim Bowden reported at ESPN that the annual value of said offer is believed to be in the $12-13MM range.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/royals-unlikely-resign-alex-gordon.html

 

Sooo....are there any suitors left for the remaining outfielders? Something tells me Gordon isn't going to get an offer of 20 million per from anybody.

[Docwaukee]

Does anyone know how many corner outfielders have have had positive defensive value from age 32-36 in the history of baseball?

About 20 players. Most of which it's only even marginally positive.

Defensive metrics aren't always great, but that a pretty good sample.

So let's say his defense becomes slightly above average. Anaheim will suck away whatever power he has as will the fact that he's past his prime. He strikes out a fair amount as well. So he will be a .250-.260 guy with solid defense. 10-15hrs and a .340 obp.

I would hope paying almost 20mil per for 5 yrs would get you more than that.

[tdawg87]

I don't see how he would fall off so drastically. He's the best defensive left fielder in the game right now. He's likely to decline, sure, but I don't see him becoming "slightly above average" until at least the last couple years of his contract.

 

I suppose I agree that he isn't worth 20 million, but we gave Torii Hunter 5/90 and he was the same age. I don't think anyone here would argue that was a bad contract. So honestly, what's an extra 2 million per year, especially with the market the way it has become?

 

Even if Gordon's defense declines, I still see him as being an above average defender for the entirety of his contract. Plus, he'll essentially put up the same offensive production Torii did, minus a few homeruns.

Edited December 24, 2015 by tdawg87

[Angel Oracle]

Order of preference is still:

Cespedes

Upton

Gordon

[AngelStew43]

I think Gordon would be as good as Torii Hunter when he was here.  A couple less HR, sure, but a higher OBP.

[Ohtaniland]

According to Heyman, the Mets are officially out on Cespedes.

[ELEVEN]

According to Heyman, the Mets are officially out on Cespedes.

CESPEDESTRIANS

[ELEVEN]

Or we could have UPTON SATURDAY NIGHTS in the RF bleachers on Saturdays... just sayin

[ELEVEN]

Meh, guess it'll be NAVA HOS instead.

[gotbeer]

According to Heyman, the Mets are officially out on Cespedes.

 

I think I read somewhere that the Mets are also out on Murphy.  And the Royals are no where close on Gordon.  Like the Royals were only offering $12 million a year. 

[JAHV76]

Or Flash Gordon Fridays

[ELEVEN]

Or Flash Gordon Fridays

Ooh, lets get the ladies in on this one.

[Ohtaniland]

The NAVA HO's will be a different group every game. We will pick them up in the red light district in Santa Ana.

[Ohtaniland]

I think I read somewhere that the Mets are also out on Murphy. And the Royals are no where close on Gordon. Like the Royals were only offering $12 million a year.

Arte has black balled any player asking for more than $4M.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Meh, guess it'll be NAVA HOS instead.

some dumb college kids will say thats offensive to native americans. The, when they read more into it, will say its offensive to sluts.

[halosfan1970]

some dumb college kids will say thats offensive to native americans. The, when they read more into it, will say its offensive to sluts.

 

I'm offended by your bigotry toward dumb college students.

[ukyah]

so many good opportunities here for the angels. i'm just waiting for them all to fall by the wayside. 

 

ever since artie's catalina wine mixer, my interest has tanked.

[Jobu]

Nat's sign 2B Murphy.

[JAHV76]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBTN?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Ohtaniland]

so many good opportunities here for the angels. i'm just waiting for them all to fall by the wayside.

ever since artie's catalina wine mixer, my interest has tanked.

Arte just might have a Layaway plan. After Christmas sales are going to get interesting.

[Troll Daddy]

Nat's sign 2B Murphy.

Kendrick next ... wonder if Kendrick gets a better deal.

[ispy45]

We are waiting to see if Span is healthy.