SCOTUS: Same Sex Marriage Legal Nationwide

[the dude abides]

Consent means that you agree to something. You're taking away their right to agree to something. you're doing this for whatever reason- bigotry, probably. Are you OK with somebody marrying an animal if the animal doesn't object? Doesn't affect anybody. You can't deny that people love their animals.

But,the main point is that you're OK with some restriction because their love isn't important enough. Thanks for your answer.

It took nine pages, but we FINALLY have a beastiality argument. Well done, Juan!!

Over/under on how many more pages before the "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" angle is posed. I'll set the line at 3.5 pages.

[Schildog]

amazing thread really.

[sneaky_flute]

It's nauseating to see Hillary Clinton voicing her support for gay marriage. The idiot flip-flops more than Obama. 

[the dude abides]

She's so disingenuous.

[Kevin]

It's Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. Duh.

It's not a genuine post tda but I didn't want you to be disappointed.

[Angelsjunky]

Flip-flopping is one thing, but sometimes people do actually change their opinion about something - it is called growth.

 

That said, Hillary is a political chameleon and will adapt her views to whatever she feels will further her career. Obama is a bit trickier. He presented himself as one thing back in 2008, but then once he got the Democratic nomination he took money from corporations and has been beholden to them. Still, he's accomplished quite a lot considering the unprecedented hostility across the aisle.

[Angelsjunky]

She's so disingenuous.

 

Tell me a political candidate who isn't.  Well there are some - Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, etc - but not many. Even Libertarian darling Rand Paul is turning into more of a traditional Republican. I didn't agree with everything his dad said but at least he was genuine.

[the dude abides]

Tell me a political candidate who isn't.  Well there are some - Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, etc - but not many. Even Libertarian darling Rand Paul is turning into more of a traditional Republican. I didn't agree with everything his dad said but at least he was genuine.

I get that most politicians are disingenuous, but she's been on overdrive lately. Hell, look at her Facebook page right now... You'd think she has been a proponent of marriage equality since Bill was in office (instead of 2013 when she finally "evolved" on the issue).

[Crampknees]

This whole thing means Hillary and Pelosi can finally hook up.  God created pant suits and Nancy.  

[arch stanton]

This whole thing means Hillary and Pelosi can finally hook up.  God created pant suits and Nancy.  

They could always hook up. This just means Hiliary can pull the plug when Nancy's next facelift goes awry.

[Jason]

This whole thing means Hillary and Pelosi can finally hook up.  God created pant suits and Nancy.

Thanks for that. I will lose some weight now today due to lack of appetite

[Angelsjunky]

I get that most politicians are disingenuous, but she's been on overdrive lately. Hell, look at her Facebook page right now... You'd think she has been a proponent of marriage equality since Bill was in office (instead of 2013 when she finally "evolved" on the issue).

 

I know, I agree. Assuming she gets the Dem nominee, I'll probably vote for her because the alternative is...well, worse.

[Angelsjunky]

Man, I just check Hillary's Facebook page and she is such a panderer with that "History" in rainbow colors. What a BSer.

[Jay]

Same thing with Obama illuminating the White House with multi-colored lights. His position on gay marriage 'evolved' in the last few years as well.

[the dude abides]

Yep. This was mentioned on Bill Maher last night. Dick Cheney and the Koch brothers were on board before Obama and Hillary. By a few years, even.

[juansavage1]

I get that most politicians are disingenuous, but she's been on overdrive lately. Hell, look at her Facebook page right now... You'd think she has been a proponent of marriage equality since Bill was in office (instead of 2013 when she finally "evolved" on the issue).

You mean the Elizabeth Warren who pretended to be Indian, flipped houses, voted Republican, and worked for corporations? Yeah, no flips there. 

[juansavage1]

It took nine pages, but we FINALLY have a beastiality argument. Well done, Juan!!

Over/under on how many more pages before the "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" angle is posed. I'll set the line at 3.5 pages.

Yep. And, never a response. Let me give you an insight, conservatives. This, like many other liberal arguments has to do with what's in style. It has zero to do with any principle or logic. 

[Angelsjunky]

Yep. This was mentioned on Bill Maher last night. Dick Cheney and the Koch brothers were on board before Obama and Hillary. By a few years, even.

 

It is a political game, dude. Do you really think Obama or Hillary were against gay marriage? Ever? I did appreciate Cheney "coming out" in the way that he did, but he and the Koch brothers had little to lose. Hillary and Barack are master politicians. I don't like it, but I understand why they held off as long as they did. And as far as I know, Obama never spoke against it, he was just elusive.

 

But the fact is, the vast majority of people who are against gay marriage are fundamentalists. There really aren't many arguments other than religious ones against gay marriage, aside from sheer and unadulterated homophobia. But even atheist homophobes probably don't care if gay people get married - it is only the "Religious Right" who care what others do in their bedrooms.

[Angelsjunky]

And yes, I do realize that not all Christians are against gay marriage. But in terms of a Venn diagram, the largest group that is against gay marriage in this country are fundamentalists.

[mtangelsfan]

It is a political game, dude. Do you really think Obama or Hillary were against gay marriage? Ever? I did appreciate Cheney "coming out" in the way that he did, but he and the Koch brothers had little to lose. Hillary and Barack are master politicians. I don't like it, but I understand why they held off as long as they did. And as far as I know, Obama never spoke against it, he was just elusive.

 

But the fact is, the vast majority of people who are against gay marriage are fundamentalists. There really aren't many arguments other than religious ones against gay marriage, aside from sheer and unadulterated homophobia. But even atheist homophobes probably don't care if gay people get married - it is only the "Religious Right" who care what others do in their bedrooms.

Man, you are pretty much wrong every time you talk about Christianity.  It's a solid record.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

She's so disingenuous.

 

This isn't a new development, just the latest manifestation of it.

[Jay]

You mean the Elizabeth Warren who pretended to be Indian, flipped houses, voted Republican, and worked for corporations? Yeah, no flips there.

Ha, good one. I forgot that Warren claimed to be an Indian. What a joke.

[juansavage1]

Your statement isn't very bright or accurate, but you inadvertently hit upon an interesting topic.

Of course, marriage has remained natural in the vast atheistic communist empires,as it did during the secular fascist governments of Italy and Germany.

It was opposite sex even when homosexuality was accepted like in the ancient world. It's opposite sex in Japan and other secular Asian countries.

They see/saw the utility of parents and a society geared towards families.

Secular people are more easily swayed by fashionable beliefs.When this became cool,nothing else mattered.

If you ask these same people if people should marry before having children or if one person or sixteen should raise a child or if married people should swing with others or really anything that's not racism,they'd shrug their shoulders.

It's impossible to have a rational moral argument with an atheist,as witnessed by their response to beastiality. Who doesn't think that they just pull that reason out of their ass and if it became cool, their reason wouldn't matter.

It is a political game, dude. Do you really think Obama or Hillary were against gay marriage? Ever? I did appreciate Cheney "coming out" in the way that he did, but he and the Koch brothers had little to lose. Hillary and Barack are master politicians. I don't like it, but I understand why they held off as long as they did. And as far as I know, Obama never spoke against it, he was just elusive.

But the fact is, the vast majority of people who are against gay marriage are fundamentalists. There really aren't many arguments other than religious ones against gay marriage, aside from sheer and unadulterated homophobia. But even atheist homophobes probably don't care if gay people get married - it is only the "Religious Right" who care what others do in their bedrooms.

[Rico]

Your statement isn't very bright or accurate, but you inadvertently hit upon an interesting topic.

Of course, marriage has remained natural in the vast atheistic communist empires,as it did during the secular fascist governments of Italy and Germany.

It was opposite sex even when homosexuality was accepted like in the ancient world. It's opposite sex in Japan and other secular Asian countries.

They see/saw the utility of parents and a society geared towards families.

Secular people are more easily swayed by fashionable beliefs.When this became cool,nothing else mattered.

If you ask these same people if people should marry before having children or if one person or sixteen should raise a child or if married people should swing with others or really anything that's not racism,they'd shrug their shoulders.

It's impossible to have a rational moral argument with an atheist,as witnessed by their response to beastiality. Who doesn't think that they just pull that reason out of their ass and if it became cool, their reason wouldn't matter.

 

Juan Savage, the champion for conservatives.

[Angelsjunky]

Man, you are pretty much wrong every time you talk about Christianity.  It's a solid record.

 

OK, buddy. I guess fundamentalists are accepting of different sexual preferences and don't care about "sodomy". My bad.

 

Bryan Fischer: "sodomy-based marriage." Yeah, he doesn't care what others do in their bedroom.

 

By the way, mt, stop claiming that I'm dissing Christianity. I'm only dissing fundamentalism and, to a lesser extent, evangelicals. Last time I checked, evangelicals were only about half of all Christians in the US, and fundamentalists even less.