SCOTUS: Same Sex Marriage Legal Nationwide

[mtangelsfan]

Like I said mt it's tough. You're much more involved in this area than I am, but half the new churches here are in industrial areas where the church doesn't appear to be beautiful or sacred and I'm guessing the only thing that makes it beautiful are the people. There will be a compromise I'm sure as it relates to taxes, allow gay marriages get this tax credit, don't allow you lose this tax credit. In the end all we know is people with strong beliefs one way or another will not be happy.

 

The outside appearance of the building has nothing to do with what goes on inside.  Not trying to be disrespectful but your argument is a run around property ownership.

 

and your other argument is a punishment to a group for their religious beliefs.

[mtangelsfan]

That's an easy enough fix.

 

How so?

[Glen]

Justice Scalia agrees with you:

"Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court. The opinion in these cases is the furthest extension in fact— and the furthest extension one can even imagine—of the Court’s claimed power to create “liberties” that the Constitution and its Amendments neglect to mention. This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves."

 

 

Justice Scalia is, with no due respect at all, an asshole.  I don't use that term lightly but he's earned it.

[mtangelsfan]

First off, I didn't attack him, I questioned him.  Second, he called it a lifestyle, and being gay isn't a lifestyle.  It's not a choice.  He was mincing words to hide his distaste for the ruling.  

 

As for your question...that's a good one and I don't have a ready answer.  In theory I agree that if you aren't comfortable providing a service you shouldn't have to do it, but in practice that leads to separate but equal.  

 

I think you are parsing more words that he is.  He said he didn't agree, I don't know why that isn't a good enough reason to disagree with him.

[Jason]

First off, I didn't attack him, I questioned him.  Second, he called it a lifestyle, and being gay isn't a lifestyle.  It's not a choice.  He was mincing words to hide his distaste for the ruling.  

 

As for your question...that's a good one and I don't have a ready answer.  In theory I agree that if you aren't comfortable providing a service you shouldn't have to do it, but in practice that leads to separate but equal.  

That's quite the assumption. Apparently you didn't read my next sentence

[nate]

Justice Scalia is, with no due respect at all, an asshole.  I don't use that term lightly but he's earned it.

 

BS.  You do use it lightly.

 

He is though.

[Stradling]

Yea Geoff I don't want to offend anyone with my ignorance on this subject, so I'll just say compromise will have to be made. I will say that the picture you showed from Africa probably is more sacred than having the option of going to one of the 60 plus churches in The small city I live in.

[fan_since79]

Justice Scalia is, with no due respect at all, an asshole.  I don't use that term lightly but he's earned it.

 

Nice and well-thought contribution to the discussion.

[Adam]

I don't know much about Justice Scalia, but as a stand alone general thesis, I agree with what he wrote. Does it apply here? I dunno. Probably not. 

[Glen]

That's quite the assumption. Apparently you didn't read my next sentence

 

 

I did, and I also read the part where you were saying you hope to get some of the freedoms you want recognized.  What were those freedoms again?

[wopphil]

Justice Scalia is, with no due respect at all, an asshole. I don't use that term lightly but he's earned it.

Because you disagree with him.

[Stradling]

The outside appearance of the building has nothing to do with what goes on inside. Not trying to be disrespectful but your argument is a run around property ownership.

and your other argument is a punishment to a group for their religious beliefs.

Not true at all. Like I've said I don't see why anyone would want to be married where the people their marriage isn't accepted. Also if it weren't for the tax relief I would have ZERO problem with letting the church refuse to do those marriages. I've also said that the church is more than the building its about the people. There has to be a compromise because I don't want to see the church lose its tax benefits because of all they do in the community. So I guess it goes both ways mt, won't the church compromise so they can continue to do the great work they do in their communities?

[fan_since79]

Because you disagree with him.

 

Glen enjoys argumentum ad hominem.

[mtangelsfan]

Not true at all. Like I've said I don't see why anyone would want to be married where the people their marriage isn't accepted. Also if it weren't for the tax relief I would have ZERO problem with letting the church refuse to do those marriages. I've also said that the church is more than the building its about the people. There has to be a compromise because I don't want to see the church lose its tax benefits because of all they do in the community. So I guess it goes both ways mt, won't the church compromise so they can continue to do the great work they do in their communities?

 

Many will but when the scripture they base their religion upon tells them not to, I just don't see how you could expect them to do so.  I also don't see how you could expect that door to close once you've opened it.

 

I don't think any religious entity should be forced to have their building used for things they don't agree with any more than In-N-Out should be forced to let McDonalds to use one of their stores for a day.

[Jason]

I did, and I also read the part where you were saying you hope to get some of the freedoms you want recognized. What were those freedoms again?

Nothing specific.

[gotbeer]

/sigh.  These are the people that have lifelong contracts in the US.

 

Justice Scalia's Gay Marriage Advice: 'Ask the Nearest Hippie'

[Tank]

As for your question...that's a good one and I don't have a ready answer.  In theory I agree that if you aren't comfortable providing a service you shouldn't have to do it, but in practice that leads to separate but equal.

Talked to a friend of mine who's a judge and asked him about the issue of whether or not our church would be required to allow a gay wedding. His unofficial answer was that if we rent out our church for weddings to people who are not part of our congregation (which we do), then we can't really say no to a gay couple.

[the dude abides]

 

/sigh.  These are the people that have lifelong contracts in the US.

 

Justice Scalia's Gay Marriage Advice: 'Ask the Nearest Hippie'

 

 

So, looks like Glen was correct.

[mtangelsfan]

Talked to a friend of mine who's a judge and asked him about the issue of whether or not our church would be required to allow a gay wedding. His unofficial answer was that if we rent out our church for weddings to people who are not part of our congregation (which we do), then we can't really say no to a gay couple.

 

I think you'll need to stop doing that.

[Tank]

Like a lot of congregations, we appreciate the extra income. I don't see us changing that anytime soon.

[mtangelsfan]

Then I do believe you guys will have to do gay weddings then.  I do see how that would be unfair to refuse that.

 

Fortunately, we don't do that.

[Jay]

MT's church:

 

[Thomas]

Slash attends that one too I think.

[Stradling]

MT's church:

I like that church a hell of a lot more than the churches here that are in industrial parks and have basketball courts inside them. You want to see some beautiful churches go to Ireland, Scotland and Italy.

[Crampknees]

So, looks like Glen was correct.

This is all the hippies fault.