SCOTUS: Same Sex Marriage Legal Nationwide

[mtangelsfan]

Nate thinks for himself, not like us mindless Christians.

[nate]

I didn't really grow up with religion in my life.

 

Lets put it this way.  In Muslim countries, there are a lot more people praying Allah, in a Christian country there are a lot more people praying to Jesus.  In India there are a lot of people that wont eat beef.  In Isreal there are a lot of people that will only eat Kosher.  These things are what they are trained to do by their parents and families growing up.  

 

Do you think that if we all grew up without our parents and families guiding our beliefs we would all choose the religions we do now?  If you do, you are only fooling yourself.  Just look at the broader picture.

Edited June 29, 2015 by nate

[Stradling]

I didn't really grow up with religion in my life.

Lets put it this way. In Muslim countries, there are a lot more people praying Allah, in a Christian country there are a lot more people praying to Jesus. In India there are a lot of people that wont eat beef. In Isreal there are a lot of people that will only eat Kosher. These things are what they are trained to do by their parents and families growing up.

Do you think that if we all grew up without our parents and families guiding our beliefs we would all choose the religions we do now? If you do, you are only fooling yourself. Just look at the broader picture.

So you were bred to not be religious. I figured you for someone who would make your own choices.

[Adam]

He is a musician, I only saw it because Adam liked it first...lol

I also hold his view

[Lou]

I didn't really grow up with religion in my life.

 

Lets put it this way.  In Muslim countries, there are a lot more people praying Allah, in a Christian country there are a lot more people praying to Jesus.  In India there are a lot of people that wont eat beef.  In Isreal there are a lot of people that will only eat Kosher.  These things are what they are trained to do by their parents and families growing up.  

 

Do you think that if we all grew up without our parents and families guiding our beliefs we would all choose the religions we do now?  If you do, you are only fooling yourself.  Just look at the broader picture.

so what religious beliefs, if any, did your parents have?

[Lou]

so kids that have parents of differing faiths must just flip a coin

[Lou]

I didn't really grow up with religion in my life.

 

Lets put it this way.  In Muslim countries, there are a lot more people praying Allah, in a Christian country there are a lot more people praying to Jesus.  In India there are a lot of people that wont eat beef.  In Isreal there are a lot of people that will only eat Kosher.  These things are what they are trained to do by their parents and families growing up.  

 

Do you think that if we all grew up without our parents and families guiding our beliefs we would all choose the religions we do now?  If you do, you are only fooling yourself.  Just look at the broader picture.

all? no

some? absolutely

most? quite possibly

[Tank]

Two things: One, some people don't believe in God so this statement is irrelevant at best, even ludicrous. Two, some people who believe in God don't believe that he/she/it "instituted" marriage - people did. We make the rules, we decide what we believe in - and the rules have to serve more than just those that believe in a certain faith.

 

you may not believe in something but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

[Brandon]

That Branson post was aces. So many people that don't get it.

 

Kind of a trip to see rational Christians say they will pray for someone thinking they are defending Christian rights/ideology because the chick was bat shit crazy.

[Tank]

Genesis 2:24, 25 describes the creation of Eve. From the ESV bible "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And the man (Adam) and his wife (Eve) were both naked and were not ashamed." As Christians, we hold that marriage was instituted by God Himself in the Garden of Eden during creation week. So we believe that the institution of marriage goes back to the very beginning of man's existence on this planet.

[Lou]

you may not believe in something but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

when non-believers don't agree with something it's irrelevant, perhaps even ludicrous.

when Christians do the same, they are bible-thumping,brainwashed bigots

[Lou]

My favorite part was when Lou schooled Nate and told him it's not bread, it's "pan."

came thiiiiiiis close to doing that lol

[Tank]

 

This was posted on Facebook by Richie Branson: I really liked what he had to say.

 

As a follower of Christ and lover of all people regardless of race, gender, political affiliation, sexual orientation, or game console preference, I'm going to be very blunt with my fellow Christians: why are you so pissed about this change in MAN's law? Absolutely nothing has changed in the Bible. God's law is exactly the same as it was before yesterday. The good book said that man's law wouldn't always line up with God's law, so why are you upset that the Bible was correct? If you expect the nation's legal system to teach your children about Christ then you're sadly mistaken. God never placed that responsibility with the courts; It's YOUR responsibility to spread the gospel and love of Jesus Christ.

The law doesn't force pornography upon your household, but it's legal. The law doesn't force twerk videos unto your household, but it's legal. The law doesn't force heterosexual sex between two unmarried people into your household, but it's legal. The law doesn't force having children out of wedlock unto your household, but again... it's perfectly legal. Homosexual marriage, like the above mentioned "sins", does not impede on the basic rights of anyone else. It's perfectly fine not to condone it, but to condemn it and attempt to codify your beliefs into laws that disenfranchise those with different belief systems is not ok. Here's a newsflash: Making it legal for gay people to be married by definition of man's law doesn't mean the world is coming to an end. This isn't anything new, by the way, as 22 other countries already recognize same-sex marriage years before June 26th, 2015.

While we're on the subject, let's talk about state-sponsored sinful lifestyles for a second: every weekend I buy a lotto ticket from the corner store. I've been doing this for years. However, my Bible says to stay away from attempts to get rich quick (proverbs 13:11 and 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). I guess that means I should also be condemned to the depths of Hell upon my death.

Look, there are so many other issues that require our attention as Christians: poverty, racism, genocide, persecution of Christians in the Middle East (while we're complaining about Christians losing influence in American politics, Middle-Eastern Christians are losing their LIVES), and others that are infinitely more worthy of our outrage than the issue of same-sex marriage in America. Instead of bloviating on social media about how offended you are about homosexuality, why don't you step out on faith and do some real kingdom work?

In closing, it is quite ironic that the most sin I've seen on social media isn't coming from all the rainbow colored profile pictures, but rather from self-proclaimed Christians shouting "F*ck this fag b.s." with a disturbing lack of one of the very cornerstones of the Christian faith: Grace.

 

that's a very well written, thoughtful essay. i like the way he said it, and i think he's correct.

[Don]

Genesis 2:24, 25 describes the creation of Eve. From the ESV bible "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And the man (Adam) and his wife (Eve) were both naked and were not ashamed." As Christians, we hold that marriage was instituted by God Himself in the Garden of Eden during creation week. So we believe that the institution of marriage goes back to the very beginning of man's existence on this planet.

That's a good, reasonable explanation of a Christian viewpoint. There may be others within the Christian faith as well, I don't really know. And if that is what you believe, great. It makes sense as a matter of doctrine. Where I differ (I think we differ here) is that I just don't believe that should hold any weight in American law.

[Tank]

That's a good, reasonable explanation of a Christian viewpoint. There may be others within the Christian faith as well, I don't really know. And if that is what you believe, great. It makes sense as a matter of doctrine. Where I differ (I think we differ here) is that I just don't believe that should hold any weight in American law.

 

fair enough, don, and that's a fair thing to bring up. there's the practical matter of the gov't being involved in marriage because of property rights, parental rights, and other legal issues. but i'm changing my view on just how much the gov't should be involved.

[TobiasFunke]

Genesis 2:24, 25 describes the creation of Eve. From the ESV bible "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And the man (Adam) and his wife (Eve) were both naked and were not ashamed." As Christians, we hold that marriage was instituted by God Himself in the Garden of Eden during creation week. So we believe that the institution of marriage goes back to the very beginning of man's existence on this planet.

I laughed at "creation week"

[TobiasFunke]

Since we're allowing Juan to post on here, I move to un-ban Bakunin to hear what he has to say about all of this.

[Angelsjunky]

you may not believe in something but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

 

I'm not sure you understood the point I was trying to make. Here's the point: Using God as a basis of truth in a discussion with someone who doesn't believe in God makes it irrelevant. Its like me saying, "Gay marriage is good because the Easter Bunny told me so." Would you, as someone who presumably doesn't believe in the Easter Bunny, find my belief relevant in a determination of truth and resulting laws? I certainly hope not!

 

I'm not saying that belief in God is irrelevant in a larger sense, but that saying "God instituted marriage" is irrelevant in a discussion with anyone other than fellow believers in God, or the God that you believe in.

[Lou]

thanks for clearing that up, aj.

what i've found funny these last couple of days is that

i've heard 50 times more outrage from those claiming "the

evil Christians are going to be outraged" than i have from

those upset that the law has been enacted.

heck, not one of my svengali family members and friends have

even mentioned it to me.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Lou

[Rico]

Genesis 2:24, 25 describes the creation of Eve. From the ESV bible "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And the man (Adam) and his wife (Eve) were both naked and were not ashamed." As Christians, we hold that marriage was instituted by God Himself in the Garden of Eden during creation week. So we believe that the institution of marriage goes back to the very beginning of man's existence on this planet.

Do you really want to bring the bible into this discussion?  Because if I started quoting the bible you'd probably not like the passages I would pick.

[Lou]

Do you really want to bring the bible into this discussion?  Because if I started quoting the bible you'd probably not like the passages I would pick.

for some reason, i don't think Tank would mind

[InsideThePark]

To be fair, the passage Tank chose was relevant to the discussion.

[Rico]

for some reason, i don't think Tank would mind

I think this is one of those times it is best I keep it to myself.

[Lou]

which is why i stated he wouldn't mind

[Lou]

I think this is one of those times it is best I keep it to myself.

98% of the time i do as well.

i adhere to the adage:

"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible."

- Thomas Aquinas

Edited June 29, 2015 by Lou