Cleveland Indians changing their team name

[Pancake Bear]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

They are called Indians because dumb fuck Christopher Columbus thought he landed in India.  

I mean, after that long of a road trip, when the kids said, "Are we there yet?" Chris didn't have the heart to tell them. Don't judge.

[Pancake Bear]

In a surprise plot twist, the Cleveland Baseball Team's new name for 2021 will be..... The Indians!

Brilliant.

[Pancake Bear]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

I too dislike cancel culture and love to make fun of SJWs.

Hey, we agreed for the first sentence - awesome! 

[yk9001]

8 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Look through the list we don't have a single Albert Pujols greatest moment in the list. 

That said, we will add his list of accomplishments one day once he's added to the Hall of Fame to #38 on our list. 

#38 - Trio of Hall of Fame moments

Sept. 17, 1984: Reggie hits No. 500
Aug. 4, 1985: Carew collects No. 3,000
June 18, 1986: Sutton wins No. 300

For three consecutive seasons, one each year, Angels fans were treated to a player reaching a Hall of Fame milestone while wearing an Angels uniform. More impressively, each accomplished the feat at Anaheim Stadium.

First up was Reggie Jackson. The self-proclaimed “straw that stirs the drink” arrived in Anaheim two years earlier, signing as a free agent and bringing with him 425 home runs in 14 previous seasons.

Jackson immediately delivered to his billing, whopping 39 home runs in 1982 and helping the Angels clinch their second division title. Jackson slumped badly in 1983, batting .194 and hitting only 14 home runs. But he was now just 22 home runs shy of 500.

In the waning days of the 1984 season, with the Angels in a pennant chase with the Twins and Royals, Jackson’s pursuit of No. 500 gave the season some additional drama. In the seventh inning of a foggy Monday night game against the Royals, with the Angels trailing, 7-0, Jackson connected, driving Bud Black’s first pitch deep over the right field fence. (It was one of only three hits Black would allow the Angels on the night.)

“My first thought was, ‘That’s it,’ ” Jackson told reporters after the game. “My second was, I wish we could be winning. I wished it could’ve been a seven-run homer to tie the score.”

The home run came 17 years to the day that Jackson hit his first homer, as a member of the Kansas City Athletics against the Angels at Anaheim Stadium in 1967.

Jackson would hit 123 of his 563 career homers for the Angels, none more memorable than this one.

The following August, Rod Carew was also chasing baseball immortality. A seven-time batting champion in 12 seasons with the Twins, Carew came to the Angels in 1979 with 2,085 hits.

Though he was never a great run producer for the Angels as he had been with the Twins, Carew could still bat .300 in his sleep and his .339 average in 1983 was a team record that held up for 17 years.

As the 1985 season, and his career, wound down, Carew landed himself in the exclusive 3,000-hit club. With his patented slap swing, Carew lined No. 3,000 to left field off Minnesota Twins lefty Frank Viola. Most Angels fans can vividly recall the image of Carew reaching up to secure his helmet as he trotted to first base under a bright Sunday afternoon sky.

“He threw me a tough pitch (a slider down and away),” Carew said. “If I hadn’t stayed with that pitch and taken it, I would have been called out on a third strike. Fortunately, I was able to get the bat on the ball and place it in left field.”

Carew retired following the 1985 season with 3,053 hits. His .314 average with the Angels is second only to Vladimir Guerrero’s .327.

And finally, Don Sutton, in the midst of his 21st Major League season, was closing in on his own place in baseball history.

Acquired during the Angels ultimately fruitless stretch run in 1985, Sutton came to Anaheim having already won 293 games. He won two more in 1985 and entered the 1986 season five shy of the milestone.

On a Wednesday night against the visiting Texas Rangers, sitting on 299 victories, Sutton pitched like a man half his age. Through six innings, he’d allowed only one hit and carried a three-hitter (one run) into the ninth.

More than 37,000 fans climbed to their feet as Sutton took the mound for the ninth inning. He quickly retired Scott Fletcher and Oddibe McDowell on flyouts. In a fitting finale, Sutton struck out Gary Ward to end it. Sutton had pitched a complete game, three-hitter to win his 300th game.

“It’s remarkable how time after time it’s been proven how special people do special things,” manager Gene Mauch said. “I imagine that Don is proud that No. 300 was this kind of game rather than just another win.”

Sutton won 15 games in 1986 and 11 in 1987 before finishing his career back with the Dodgers in 1988, retiring with 324 victories.

Carew was inducted into baseball’s Hall of Fame in 1991, his first year of eligibility. Jackson was enshrined in 1993, also his first eligible year, and Sutton in 1998. And though none of these players went in representing the Angels, their milestone moments will forever be part of Angels lore.

That is a GREAT list. 

I could swear that Pujols was on there a couple times a few years ago.

That I could be there for #6, 3 and 2 is just.. heartwarming.

 

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

I don’t think they’ll change the Chiefs or Braves. Maybe the Blackhawks. But the Indians name is problematic, as it’s a slur, when used to refer to Native Americans.

Spiders is my Pick.

'Indians' is not a slur.

[Jay]

They could be the Rockers, if it wasn't so similar to Rockies.

What else do they have in Cleveland?

[Angelsjunky]

56 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

The overall point you make is fine.  But it is important to be wholly honest.  The different and very territorial Native Americans were viciously fighting each other and killing each other and taking each other's land with violence long before the Europeans came here and did the same.

The fact of the fact of the fact is the "borders" between Native American tribes was fluid and was only dictated by the result of the last bloodshed.

So we can all be conscious of "land being taken" from the Native Americans.  But let's not pretend any Native American land was ever safe from being taken by violence, since it was already happening.

There's a big difference between skirmishing over resources and near genocide. For one, the former maintains a natural balance, an ebb and flow; the latter leads to the near eradication of a people (or peoples) and their culture. To say that Europeans only "did the same" is a vast, and obfuscating, stretch--comparing a mountain to a mole-hill. Not to mention millions killed, intentional use of diseases to kill off Indian women and children, and all the horrible crap that Columbus did. And then, to add insult to injury, destruction of culture, forbidden religious practices and language. Oh yeah, we'll give you the shittiest land!

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, eligrba4ever said:

They are a minor league soccer team on Long Island.

It was a Letterkenny reference. 

[Blarg]

10 minutes ago, Jay said:

They could be the Rockers, if it wasn't so similar to Rockies.

What else do they have in Cleveland?

Empty storefronts.

[yk9001]

15 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Empty storefronts.

Crippling depression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

[yk9001]

The other original Cleveland tourism video

 

[tdawg87]

@yk9001's avatar makes it so much easier to masturbate while browsing Angelswin.

[T.G.]

15 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

The other original Cleveland tourism video

 

This has now been posted or linked to 3 times.  You guys are disrespecting Taylor!!

[Fish Oil]

55 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

There's a big difference between skirmishing over resources and near genocide. For one, the former maintains a natural balance, an ebb and flow; the latter leads to the near eradication of a people (or peoples) and their culture. To say that Europeans only "did the same" is a vast, and obfuscating, stretch--comparing a mountain to a mole-hill. Not to mention millions killed, intentional use of diseases to kill off Indian women and children, and all the horrible crap that Columbus did. And then, to add insult to injury, destruction of culture, forbidden religious practices and language. Oh yeah, we'll give you the shittiest land!

Yeah, you really have to hand it to the Aztecs. Using their primitive technology (didn't even have the wheel) they could run sacrificial victims over their altars faster than the Nazi's could run Jews through Auschwitz.
That is actually pretty impressive. 

[Duren, Duren]

It's all politics and political correctness. Incremental but never ending. 'fundamental change.' Most of the activists don't give a damn about sports, but are supported by the vast majority of mainstream media. Owners are too cowardly to stand up to the media.

Rarely do you see the supposed offended parties making a big issue over what were generally complimentary designations. And often if you do there is monetary or other benefits tied in.You don't name a team to denigrate the subject. A name is intended to represent something positive or inspiring. 

Tearing down staues, rewriting history, renaming long standing teams, institutions  and so on.  Partisan censorship everywhere. The brave new world.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

18 minutes ago, Duren, Duren said:

It's all politics and political correctness. Incremental but never ending. 'fundamental change.' Most of the activists don't give a damn about sports, but are supported by the vast majority of mainstream media. Owners are too cowardly to stand up to the media.

Rarely do you see the supposed offended parties making a big issue over what were generally complimentary designations. And often if you do there is monetary or other benefits tied in.You don't name a team to denigrate the subject. A name is intended to represent something positive or inspiring. 

Tearing down staues, rewriting history, renaming long standing teams, institutions  and so on.  Partisan censorship everywhere. The brave new world.

"The National Congress of American Indians and over 1,500 national Native organizations and advocates have called for a ban on all Native imagery, names, mascots, terms, redface, arrows, feathers, and appropriation of Native culture in sports. The joint letter included over 100 Native-led organizations, as well as tribal leaders and members of over 150 federally recognized tribes, reflecting a consensus among Native Americans that Native mascots are harmful."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy

[Make Angels Great Again]

4 hours ago, Taylor said:

Fun fact: the Declaration of Independence declares white man's right to conquer the "merciless Indian savages."

 

I'm not sure if this is dishonesty or pure ignorance. Probably both.

The line you're referring to is as follows:

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

This was one of many lines of charges laid out against King George in the Declaration. The British persuaded Indians to attack the colonists. Source:

http://founding.com/he-has-excited-domestic-insurrections-amongst-us-and-has-endeavoured-to-bring-on-the-inhabitants-of-our-frontiers-the-merciless-indian-savages-whose-known-rule-of-warfare-is-an-undistinguished-des/

 

Your white guilt has rotted your brain.

[Blarg]

43 minutes ago, T.G. said:

This has now been posted or linked to 3 times.  You guys are disrespecting Taylor!!

No disrespect intended.

They all have him on ignore.

[Hubs]

1 hour ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

'Indians' is not a slur.

When used to refer to a different ethnic group it is. If they changed their mascots and embraced Bollywood celebrities then it wouldn’t be

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

There's a big difference between skirmishing over resources and near genocide. For one, the former maintains a natural balance, an ebb and flow; the latter leads to the near eradication of a people (or peoples) and their culture. To say that Europeans only "did the same" is a vast, and obfuscating, stretch--comparing a mountain to a mole-hill. Not to mention millions killed, intentional use of diseases to kill off Indian women and children, and all the horrible crap that Columbus did. And then, to add insult to injury, destruction of culture, forbidden religious practices and language. Oh yeah, we'll give you the shittiest land!

You might want to double check your sources on "all the horrible crap that Columbus did."  I am sorry, but the level of fabrication on Columbus being a monster is breathtaking.

[Angelsjunky]

 

1 hour ago, Dtwncbad said:

You might want to double check your sources on "all the horrible crap that Columbus did."  I am sorry, but the level of fabrication on Columbus being a monster is breathtaking.

Are these all fabricated? What are the proper sources?

https://www.chieftain.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/07/07/was-columbus-really-that-bad-no-he-was-worse/42256475/

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6957875/christopher-columbus-murderer-tyrant-scoundrel

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/10/the-real-christopher-columbus/

https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/8-myths-and-atrocities-about-christopher-columbus-and-columbus-day-D4RHJ-PJLkaQC_BQVRNUBg

There are tons of others. And yes, they paint a different picture than the traditional American nationalist propaganda. Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States is highly recommended, especially the first chapter in terms of relevance.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Angelsjunky

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

 

Are these all fabricated? What are the proper sources?

https://www.chieftain.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/07/07/was-columbus-really-that-bad-no-he-was-worse/42256475/

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6957875/christopher-columbus-murderer-tyrant-scoundrel

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/10/the-real-christopher-columbus/

https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/8-myths-and-atrocities-about-christopher-columbus-and-columbus-day-D4RHJ-PJLkaQC_BQVRNUBg

There are tons of others.

What's mediabiasfactcheck say about 'Chieftain.com?"

[Angelsjunky]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

What's mediabiasfactcheck say about 'Chieftain.com?"

Predictable. Sorry, I should have checked FreedomEagle.org for all truths concerning Merica.

I guess we shouldn't take seriously a Native American newspaper.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Angelsjunky

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, Angelsjunky said:

Predictable. Sorry, I should have checked FreedomEagle.org for all truths concerning Merica.

I guess we shouldn't take seriously a Native American newspaper.

I only trust white people.

[T.G.]

I really don’t give a rip what Cleveland changes their name to or that they’re even changing it.

Now, if the Trash Pandas change theirs, I will freakin’ riot!