Cleveland Indians changing their team name

[Blarg]

10 minutes ago, krAbs said:

Is...is the name not a reference to the country of India?

If it was then it would be the Cleveland Tech Support.

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, gotbeer said:

What about the Vikings?  Or the Fighting Irish?  And of course, the Browns.

The Browns are named after Coach Paul Brown, a beloved coach.

Imagine the Angels changing their name to the Scioscias.

[Angelsjunky]

11 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

Were Indians in this country oppressed? Sure. Almost every people group was at some point in history. The one common denominator is virtually no one from those oppressed people groups is currently living and no one living even knows anyone personally in those groups who were oppressed.

Probably every team name would have some group that is offended by it especially if they can feel powerful by forcing it to be changed. Angels offend atheists and other religions. Padres are stereotypes. If this goes on much farther, animal rights groups are gonna have a field day with the Cubs, Dbacks, and Rays. Sound stupid? So is this.

The problem with empathy is not in the thing itself but in who is actually fighting for it. SJW's are just trying to get power and money - stirring up popular resentment among the dumbasses of society is how they get both.

Personally, as a name, I don't really give a crap whether they keep the name or change it. I have zero investment either way in the name as such. But I detest cancel culture and the owners being coerced into it. It's a cancer and those who practice it - regardless of political ideology or party - are freedom-hating fascists.

I too dislike cancel culture and love to make fun of SJWs. But your first paragraph really lacks historical context and any kind of differentiation between levels of oppression and to what degree they have an impact that echoes through history. 

It isn't simply that Indians were oppressed. They were nearly wiped out, their lands taken, and their cultures systematically and intentionally destroyed. Meanwhile, most of their descendants live in the worst poverty in this country.

Just as SJWs have a knee-jerk reaction and want to cancel and change everything, there is another extreme that wants everything to remain the same, no matter what it is, or worse - to go back to imaginary time when everything was supposedly great. Some changes aren't a bad thing, nor are all traditions worth keeping. 

[Angels in 2030]

7 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The Browns are named after Coach Paul Brown, a beloved coach.

Imagine the Angels changing their name to the Scioscias.

I prefer "The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Jose Motas"

[krAbs]

3 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

What about the Vikings?  Or the Fighting Irish?  And of course, the Browns.

Vikings are a people who don't really exist any more (you could make the case that they still exist in Iceland, but...that's not a strong argument), which makes it a lot less odd feeling. Fighting Irish IS fucking weird, to the point where I assumed it was a nickname before I googled it right now. Browns, technically, is closest to the 'creature' category.

Overall though, you're right; there WILL be exceptions to this. An exception or two over the entirety of the sports world doesn't suddenly make something not unusual though, you know? My point is that everything aside, its a really odd name - and that's before you factor in the problematic history that its trying to cash in on.

[krAbs]

12 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The Browns are named after Coach Paul Brown, a beloved coach.

Imagine the Angels changing their name to the Scioscias.

>a beloved coach

>the Scioscias

...I'm confused.

[AngelsFaninGA]

2 minutes ago, krAbs said:

>a beloved coach

>the Scioscias

...I'm confused.

Yeah I think the Ausmuses would be more fitting

[Taylor]

The Ron Roenickes?

[tdawg87]

The Hatchers 

Walks are a false stat. Just like losing.

[Blarg]

Fact: The most successful run the Angels had was with Mickey Hatcher as the hitting instructor. 

Dipoto fired him. 

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Fact: The most successful run the Angels had was with Mickey Hatcher as the hitting instructor. 

Dipoto fired him. 

Yep. He was also the hitting instructor when our 49th Greatest Moment in Angels Baseball happened! 

#49 - Aug. 18, 2009: Nine Times .300

In the top of the fifth inning of their Aug. 18 game at Jacobs Field in Cleveland, Angels catcher Mike Napoli smashed a line drive single into center field off Indians starter Fausto Carmona. It was Napoli’s second hit of the game, lifting his batting average to .302.

And though Napoli popped up and struck out in his final two at-bats of the Angels 5-4 victory, his average at the game’s conclusion was .300. While it’s always noteworthy when a batter (especially a career .256 hitter) eclipses the magical .300 mark, this particular moment was altogether monumental. Napoli was just one of nine Angels hitters who finished that game with a batting average of .300 or better.

Chone Figgins: .308
Bobby Abreu: .310
Juan Rivera: .310
Vladimir Guerrero: .313
Kendry Morales: .303
Torii Hunter: .307
Maicer Izturis: .300
Mike Napoli: .300
Erick Aybar: .313

It would last only those final four innings and the time leading up to the next day’s game — Angels manager Mike Scioscia inserted .275 hitting Howie Kendrick for .300 hitting Izturis and Napoli flew out to left field after walking twice, dropping his average back to .299 — but it was historic, however fleeting as it may have been.

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, it marked the first time since 1934 that any Major League team at least 100 games into its season finished a game with every player in its starting lineup hitting .300 or better. Mickey Cochrane’s Tigers accomplished the feat Sept. 9, 1934, against Boston — which was all the more impressive considering pitcher Lynwood “Schoolboy” Rowe and his .301 average was batting ninth. The Tigers lineup that day included four Hall of Famers (Cochrane, Hank Greenberg, Charlie Gehringer, Goose Goslin) and two All-Stars (Rowe, Gee Walker).

The Angels hitting heroics helped rookie starter Trevor Bell win his first Major League game — one that he and Angels fans won’t soon forget.

 

[ScottT]

The Angels were mediocre offensively when Mickey Hatcher was their hitting coach.

Yet, he was one of the longest tenured hitting coaches.

Intangibles, I guess

[floplag]

in before Cle Whopping Cranes

[eligrba4ever]

I welcome the management of the Cleveland Baseball Club, formerly the Rustlers, Lake Shores and Bluebirds, into the 21st Century.

[Chuck]

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[Blarg]

What, no Rough Riders?

 

[Hubs]

I don’t think they’ll change the Chiefs or Braves. Maybe the Blackhawks. But the Indians name is problematic, as it’s a slur, when used to refer to Native Americans.

Spiders is my Pick.

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Have Royals, Padres, Metropolitans, and Philadelphians been systemically oppressed, murdered, raped, and displaced?

Fun fact: the Declaration of Independence declares white man's right to conquer the "merciless Indian savages."

Bro.  The point was that the names are weird.  But thanks for showing how the triggered love to be triggered (if that term is ok since it has “ties to guns”)

[eligrba4ever]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

What, no Rough Riders?

 

They are a minor league soccer team on Long Island.

[Hubs]

If there was a team called the San Francisco Chinamen, or the El Paso Wetbacks, it would’ve been changed decades ago. 
 

Native American tribes are still discriminated against and even if there is a tradition, we can do better than name our teams using racial slurs or inaccurate geographical nicknames. 

[krAbs]

15 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

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Waiting for the Cleveland Savages.

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, krAbs said:

Waiting for the Cleveland Savages.

The Cleveland Navajos! 

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

I too dislike cancel culture and love to make fun of SJWs. But your first paragraph really lacks historical context and any kind of differentiation between levels of oppression and to what degree they have an impact that echoes through history. 

It isn't simply that Indians were oppressed. They were nearly wiped out, their lands taken, and their cultures systematically and intentionally destroyed. Meanwhile, most of their descendants live in the worst poverty in this country.

Just as SJWs have a knee-jerk reaction and want to cancel and change everything, there is another extreme that wants everything to remain the same, no matter what it is, or worse - to go back to imaginary time when everything was supposedly great. Some changes aren't a bad thing, nor are all traditions worth keeping. 

The overall point you make is fine.  But it is important to be wholly honest.  The different and very territorial Native Americans were viciously fighting each other and killing each other and taking each other's land with violence long before the Europeans came here and did the same.

The fact of the fact of the fact is the "borders" between Native American tribes was fluid and was only dictated by the result of the last bloodshed.

So we can all be conscious of "land being taken" from the Native Americans.  But let's not pretend any Native American land was ever safe from being taken by violence, since it was already happening.

[yk9001]

40 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Yep. He was also the hitting instructor when our 49th Greatest Moment in Angels Baseball happened! 

#49 - Aug. 18, 2009: Nine Times .300

In the top of the fifth inning of their Aug. 18 game at Jacobs Field in Cleveland, Angels catcher Mike Napoli smashed a line drive single into center field off Indians starter Fausto Carmona. It was Napoli’s second hit of the game, lifting his batting average to .302.

And though Napoli popped up and struck out in his final two at-bats of the Angels 5-4 victory, his average at the game’s conclusion was .300. While it’s always noteworthy when a batter (especially a career .256 hitter) eclipses the magical .300 mark, this particular moment was altogether monumental. Napoli was just one of nine Angels hitters who finished that game with a batting average of .300 or better.

Chone Figgins: .308
Bobby Abreu: .310
Juan Rivera: .310
Vladimir Guerrero: .313
Kendry Morales: .303
Torii Hunter: .307
Maicer Izturis: .300
Mike Napoli: .300
Erick Aybar: .313

It would last only those final four innings and the time leading up to the next day’s game — Angels manager Mike Scioscia inserted .275 hitting Howie Kendrick for .300 hitting Izturis and Napoli flew out to left field after walking twice, dropping his average back to .299 — but it was historic, however fleeting as it may have been.

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, it marked the first time since 1934 that any Major League team at least 100 games into its season finished a game with every player in its starting lineup hitting .300 or better. Mickey Cochrane’s Tigers accomplished the feat Sept. 9, 1934, against Boston — which was all the more impressive considering pitcher Lynwood “Schoolboy” Rowe and his .301 average was batting ninth. The Tigers lineup that day included four Hall of Famers (Cochrane, Hank Greenberg, Charlie Gehringer, Goose Goslin) and two All-Stars (Rowe, Gee Walker).

The Angels hitting heroics helped rookie starter Trevor Bell win his first Major League game — one that he and Angels fans won’t soon forget.

 

I remember that day.  That was frigging cool.

If that is #49, and there is anything Pujols-related is in front of it, the numbering on the rankings is screwed up.

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

I remember that day.  That was frigging cool.

If that is #49, and there is anything Pujols-related is in front of it, the numbering on the rankings is screwed up.

Look through the list we don't have a single Albert Pujols greatest moment in the list. 

That said, we will add his list of accomplishments one day once he's added to the Hall of Fame to #38 on our list. 

#38 - Trio of Hall of Fame moments

Sept. 17, 1984: Reggie hits No. 500
Aug. 4, 1985: Carew collects No. 3,000
June 18, 1986: Sutton wins No. 300

For three consecutive seasons, one each year, Angels fans were treated to a player reaching a Hall of Fame milestone while wearing an Angels uniform. More impressively, each accomplished the feat at Anaheim Stadium.

First up was Reggie Jackson. The self-proclaimed “straw that stirs the drink” arrived in Anaheim two years earlier, signing as a free agent and bringing with him 425 home runs in 14 previous seasons.

Jackson immediately delivered to his billing, whopping 39 home runs in 1982 and helping the Angels clinch their second division title. Jackson slumped badly in 1983, batting .194 and hitting only 14 home runs. But he was now just 22 home runs shy of 500.

In the waning days of the 1984 season, with the Angels in a pennant chase with the Twins and Royals, Jackson’s pursuit of No. 500 gave the season some additional drama. In the seventh inning of a foggy Monday night game against the Royals, with the Angels trailing, 7-0, Jackson connected, driving Bud Black’s first pitch deep over the right field fence. (It was one of only three hits Black would allow the Angels on the night.)

“My first thought was, ‘That’s it,’ ” Jackson told reporters after the game. “My second was, I wish we could be winning. I wished it could’ve been a seven-run homer to tie the score.”

The home run came 17 years to the day that Jackson hit his first homer, as a member of the Kansas City Athletics against the Angels at Anaheim Stadium in 1967.

Jackson would hit 123 of his 563 career homers for the Angels, none more memorable than this one.

The following August, Rod Carew was also chasing baseball immortality. A seven-time batting champion in 12 seasons with the Twins, Carew came to the Angels in 1979 with 2,085 hits.

Though he was never a great run producer for the Angels as he had been with the Twins, Carew could still bat .300 in his sleep and his .339 average in 1983 was a team record that held up for 17 years.

As the 1985 season, and his career, wound down, Carew landed himself in the exclusive 3,000-hit club. With his patented slap swing, Carew lined No. 3,000 to left field off Minnesota Twins lefty Frank Viola. Most Angels fans can vividly recall the image of Carew reaching up to secure his helmet as he trotted to first base under a bright Sunday afternoon sky.

“He threw me a tough pitch (a slider down and away),” Carew said. “If I hadn’t stayed with that pitch and taken it, I would have been called out on a third strike. Fortunately, I was able to get the bat on the ball and place it in left field.”

Carew retired following the 1985 season with 3,053 hits. His .314 average with the Angels is second only to Vladimir Guerrero’s .327.

And finally, Don Sutton, in the midst of his 21st Major League season, was closing in on his own place in baseball history.

Acquired during the Angels ultimately fruitless stretch run in 1985, Sutton came to Anaheim having already won 293 games. He won two more in 1985 and entered the 1986 season five shy of the milestone.

On a Wednesday night against the visiting Texas Rangers, sitting on 299 victories, Sutton pitched like a man half his age. Through six innings, he’d allowed only one hit and carried a three-hitter (one run) into the ninth.

More than 37,000 fans climbed to their feet as Sutton took the mound for the ninth inning. He quickly retired Scott Fletcher and Oddibe McDowell on flyouts. In a fitting finale, Sutton struck out Gary Ward to end it. Sutton had pitched a complete game, three-hitter to win his 300th game.

“It’s remarkable how time after time it’s been proven how special people do special things,” manager Gene Mauch said. “I imagine that Don is proud that No. 300 was this kind of game rather than just another win.”

Sutton won 15 games in 1986 and 11 in 1987 before finishing his career back with the Dodgers in 1988, retiring with 324 victories.

Carew was inducted into baseball’s Hall of Fame in 1991, his first year of eligibility. Jackson was enshrined in 1993, also his first eligible year, and Sutton in 1998. And though none of these players went in representing the Angels, their milestone moments will forever be part of Angels lore.