THE Official 2019-2020 Hot Stove Thread

[Bronson]

1 minute ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

He is like 98 years old. Maybe it is him. 

Who knows at this point. Maybe he’s having a mental breakdown.

[UndertheHalo]

Someone should check and see if Peter Gammons is smelling burnt toast. 

[totdprods]

Do you guys actually think Peter Gammons is even connected enough anymore to get this scoop over everyone else? 

He’s hacked or just spitting into the wind. 

[Vlad27Trout27]

seems like Gammons Twitter got hacked...dudes putting out random tweets out.

[AngelsLakersFan]

This is some weird shit

[UndertheHalo]

His twitter didn’t get hacked.  He’s old and his brain doesn’t work right.  The guy is spouting some gibberish about 9/11

Edited December 7, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[beatlesrule]

Latest On Gerrit Cole

December 7th, 2019 at 6:03pm CST • By Anthony Franco

Teams will be making their initial offers to Gerrit Cole in the coming days, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN (via Twitter). Cole, the top free agent in this year’s class, is a near-lock to exceed David Price’s $217MM guarantee, the current record contract for a pitcher.

Which teams figure to be in on Cole? The Yankees are seemingly committed to bringing Cole to the Bronx, and Peter Gammons of the Athletic somewhat cryptically tweets that the Bombers “were not denied” in their pursuit. Nevertheless, Passan’s sources hear that the Angels and Dodgers do remain in the running alongside the Yankees as favorites for Cole’s services. Both LA organizations have previously met with the Southern California native, as have the Yankees.

[Second Base]

1 hour ago, mymerlincat said:

 

I hate Jon Heyman

It's like you can see an arm shoved up him making his mouth move. Heyman was always Boras' media tool before. It's ridiculous.

The Boras camp is just laying it on thick right now, trying to get the Angels to up the offer. Financially speaking, the Yankees signing Cole would put them at least 40 million over the luxury tax alone, with this being their 2nd year over it, which means that team is about to be taxed 40%.

Meaning for Gerrit Cole alone, he is going to cost them 50 million just this year. They don't have enough salary coming off the books the next two years to decrease payroll much at all, and will be needing to re-up Paxton, which you know it's going to cost 20 million a year, which raises their payroll. And after next year, that penalty jumps up to 50%.

Meaning even if they signed ZERO free agents (Lemahiue sp? is also in need of a new contract as well), the Yankees would likely be taxed 17 million alone on that overage that Cole will cost. If he costs them 34 million a year, that makes him a 50 million dollar a year investment. 

In fact, they wouldn't have the necessary money coming off the books to drop under the luxury tax again, even if they signed no free agents and only extended Paxton, until the year 2023.

If the Yankees want Gerrit Cole bad enough that they're willing to make him at minimum a 50 million a year investment, and swear off free agents altogether for a minimum of three years, then they can have Cole. Really. But you know that wouldn't happen. New York is the most aggressive organization in baseball when it comes to free agency, meaning they very well could be paying 60 million a year in overages for the foreseeable future. 

I do not envision Gerrit Cole being a New York Yankee unless that team abandons any semblance of financial responsibility. Boras/Heyman can report it all they want. 

[mmc]

 

[Bronson]

8 minutes ago, mymerlincat said:

 

[angelsnationtalk]

21 minutes ago, Second Base said:

It's like you can see an arm shoved up him making his mouth move. Heyman was always Boras' media tool before. It's ridiculous.

The Boras camp is just laying it on thick right now, trying to get the Angels to up the offer. Financially speaking, the Yankees signing Cole would put them at least 40 million over the luxury tax alone, with this being their 2nd year over it, which means that team is about to be taxed 40%.

Meaning for Gerrit Cole alone, he is going to cost them 50 million just this year. They don't have enough salary coming off the books the next two years to decrease payroll much at all, and will be needing to re-up Paxton, which you know it's going to cost 20 million a year, which raises their payroll. And after next year, that penalty jumps up to 50%.

Meaning even if they signed ZERO free agents (Lemahiue sp? is also in need of a new contract as well), the Yankees would likely be taxed 17 million alone on that overage that Cole will cost. If he costs them 34 million a year, that makes him a 50 million dollar a year investment. 

In fact, they wouldn't have the necessary money coming off the books to drop under the luxury tax again, even if they signed no free agents and only extended Paxton, until the year 2023.

If the Yankees want Gerrit Cole bad enough that they're willing to make him at minimum a 50 million a year investment, and swear off free agents altogether for a minimum of three years, then they can have Cole. Really. But you know that wouldn't happen. New York is the most aggressive organization in baseball when it comes to free agency, meaning they very well could be paying 60 million a year in overages for the foreseeable future. 

I do not envision Gerrit Cole being a New York Yankee unless that team abandons any semblance of financial responsibility. Boras/Heyman can report it all they want. 

Heyman is pissing me off. Joe Maddon is just as important as Andy is. Let alone Trout was probably on call just how he was when they recruited Ohtani. Trout alone just saying “here’s why I wanted to sign here and we’re a family oriented organization” could be enough for Cole to just say “cool, I’m in”. 

The Yankees would need to move some serious contracts if they really want to stay under. And if they really got Cole and blow past the tax then expect them to fire sale their entire team next year.

[Chuck]

3 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Heyman is pissing me off. Joe Maddon is just as important as Andy is. Let alone Trout was probably on call just how he was when they recruited Ohtani. Trout alone just saying “here’s why I wanted to sign here and we’re a family oriented organization” could be enough for Cole to just say “cool, I’m in”. 

The Yankees would need to move some serious contracts if they really want to stay under. And if they really got Cole and blow past the tax then expect them to fire sale their entire team next year.

The beloved Andy Pettite is a known steroid user too. 

[Chuck]

2 hours ago, mymerlincat said:

 

Hey @pgammo can we get an update or more clarification on this? 

I totally forgot that Peter Gammons is a member here. 

[halonatic13]

Cole will be an Angel.  His memories of being at the WS game with the thundersticks.  You can't tell me he doesn't think about that.  Be the ACE of a team winning only their 2nd WS title?  Yankee's have won how many?  It's not so special anymore. 

[eligrba]

 8/250 is my prediction.

[halonatic13]

5 minutes ago, eligrba said:

 8/250 is my prediction.

Way to low.

[rottiesworld]

1 hour ago, Second Base said:

It's like you can see an arm shoved up him making his mouth move. Heyman was always Boras' media tool before. It's ridiculous.

The Boras camp is just laying it on thick right now, trying to get the Angels to up the offer. Financially speaking, the Yankees signing Cole would put them at least 40 million over the luxury tax alone, with this being their 2nd year over it, which means that team is about to be taxed 40%.

Meaning for Gerrit Cole alone, he is going to cost them 50 million just this year. They don't have enough salary coming off the books the next two years to decrease payroll much at all, and will be needing to re-up Paxton, which you know it's going to cost 20 million a year, which raises their payroll. And after next year, that penalty jumps up to 50%.

Meaning even if they signed ZERO free agents (Lemahiue sp? is also in need of a new contract as well), the Yankees would likely be taxed 17 million alone on that overage that Cole will cost. If he costs them 34 million a year, that makes him a 50 million dollar a year investment. 

In fact, they wouldn't have the necessary money coming off the books to drop under the luxury tax again, even if they signed no free agents and only extended Paxton, until the year 2023.

If the Yankees want Gerrit Cole bad enough that they're willing to make him at minimum a 50 million a year investment, and swear off free agents altogether for a minimum of three years, then they can have Cole. Really. But you know that wouldn't happen. New York is the most aggressive organization in baseball when it comes to free agency, meaning they very well could be paying 60 million a year in overages for the foreseeable future. 

I do not envision Gerrit Cole being a New York Yankee unless that team abandons any semblance of financial responsibility. Boras/Heyman can report it all they want. 

So what ass that jackass Andy Pettitte going to say that they won the championship about a million years ago, and how many times they have lost in the Playoffs, how many times the Angels kicked their ass and the only team with a winning record against them, that they are drug users, he is an idiot for being there. 

[halonatic13]

6 minutes ago, eligrba said:

 8/250 is my prediction.

8/264 with full no trade, no opt outs, family suite for home games, own hotel suite on the road,  50k bonus for each AS game appearance, 150k bonus for each Cy Young.  

[Stradling]

Pretty sure they all get their own suites. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Pretty sure they all get their own suites. 

That's a lot of suites!

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

8/285

[TBailey]

I think the Angels will offer 300 over 8/9. I really think they go big with this offer. If what Arte stated, “What ever it takes...” is true, then the money is going to be BIG.

[Chuck]

4 hours ago, mymerlincat said:

 

I hate Jon Heyman

For the Angels next meeting we should double double down. Bring Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, Tim Salmon or GA (his childhood favorites) and Jered Weaver .... you know, the guy who said how much money do you need. 

We filmed his press conference years ago. Check out the things this local kid had to say. 

 

[Bronson]

11 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

For the Angels next meeting we should double double down. Bring Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, Tim Salmon or GA (his childhood favorites) and Jered Weaver .... you know, the guy who said how much money do you need. 

We filmed his press conference years ago. Check out the things this local kid had to say. 

 

Honestly that would be amazing. We really need to show him how much we want him here.

[Claude]

46 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

For the Angels next meeting we should double double down. Bring Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, Tim Salmon or GA (his childhood favorites) and Jered Weaver .... you know, the guy who said how much money do you need. 

We filmed his press conference years ago. Check out the things this local kid had to say. 

 

and Ippei.