Upton Signs New 5-Year, $106m Deal with Angels

[Stradling]

On 11/2/2017 at 11:38 AM, Ohtaniland said:

I actually like the deal. It certainly isn’t anything outrageous like 6/$150M

Hmm. 

[DMVol]

6 minutes ago, Kevinb said:

He’s declined faster than I thought he would. 

Injuries last year and a crazy shortened season this year haven’t helped...but you have to be pretty discouraged....

[Inside Pitch]

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Hmm. 

Maybe he liked being extorted.   That's a pretty nifty 180.  

[Claude]

[failos]

On 11/2/2017 at 11:29 PM, Puget Sound Angel said:

You could not pick a better day to rub this in the Doyers fans face than today.

Idoit 

[failos]

On 11/2/2017 at 1:23 PM, totdprods said:

No. The September team was one of the best the Angels have put on the field the last few seasons. 

The results were not there, but the talent was. Upton in left for the long term is a tremendous improvement over the last few years. 

Dude you are always wrong!!! Are you Scotty?

[Stradling]

11 minutes ago, failos said:

Dude you are always wrong!!! Are you Scotty?

Actually he is one of the better reads on here.  

[Stradling]

28 minutes ago, RendZone said:

He wasn’t.  Sorry.  But then again, you liked the deal so we have nothing to disagree on.  

[failos]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Actually he is one of the better reads on here.  

He’s good with statistics, but usually wrong.

[Claude]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

He wasn’t.  Sorry.  But then again, you liked the deal so we have nothing to disagree on.  

Then we can agree that he has not lived up to his contract. 

[failos]

1 minute ago, RendZone said:

Then we can agree that he has not lived up to his contract. 

U lot should just agree to disagree and bury the fooking hatchet already.

 

otherwise agree to a duel. I’m sick of you two bickering for years like some married couple.

[Stradling]

Just now, RendZone said:

Then we can agree that he has not lived up to his contract. 

Of course we can.  

I think it is funny that you use a quote from 2017 as a gotcha, when you were wrong then, and also wrong now, about whether or not he was overpaid in a season where he was a 5.5 WAR player and made $22 million.  

Just so we are clear, he is overpaid now.  Carry on.  

[Claude]

11 minutes ago, failos said:

U lot should just agree to disagree and bury the fooking hatchet already.

 

otherwise agree to a duel. I’m sick of you two bickering for years like some married couple.

Truth be told, we’re now divorced. 

[DMVol]

30 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Of course we can.  

I think it is funny that you use a quote from 2017 as a gotcha, when you were wrong then, and also wrong now, about whether or not he was overpaid in a season where he was a 5.5 WAR player and made $22 million.  

Just so we are clear, he is overpaid now.  Carry on.  

Everybody thought it was a good deal....not a bargain but a fair price for a guy that didn’t cost much in a trade, at a time when we were in the wild card hunt....he had a solid 2018, about what you’d expect, and then injuries and (maybe) age have caught up with him....Hindsight is wunnerful.....

[beatlesrule]

I didn't really like the signing or think much of Upton and I stated as much in this thread but a lot of players are off to bad starts and I don't think he's washed up and done like many here.

[Taylor]

On 11/2/2017 at 11:35 AM, Glen said:

This is amazing.  Almost everyone on the board seems to like it, and at the same time Claude gets his sad boner.

Yep.

[UndertheHalo]

I don’t get the point of bringing this up in the 2020.  He was good for us the year they traded for him and the team fucking choked.  He was good the year he signed the deal and the team sucked shit.  Then he got hurt.  Then this year.  I feel zero shame about being enthusiastic about very good baseball player Justin Upton. 
 

obviously the regression appears to have started earlier than anticipated.  Being a hater pessimist about everything doesn’t make you smart or right.  What’s it they say about a broken clock ? 

[Angel]

For the Angels, hindsight is 20/40

Easy pickings I know, it had to be said though.

[AngelsFaninGA]

Damn I saw this pop up and got PTSD for a split second. 

[Duren, Duren]

Decline is a built in risk. Part of the calculus in paying for talent. 

It can happen anytime because of injury, age, skill erosion, loss of confidence, a bad attitude/work ethic.  Sometimes is slow and gradual, but sometimes it's sudden and immediate. 

 Angels got a couple of good years from Upton, so there were expectations of a slower decline. It is possible he does recover somewhat but not likely to reach close to his career averages. 

Problem is, he has locked down a roster spot beyond this season. What to do with him then? 

I can't think of anything that hasn't been tried. A power bat with sluggish bat speed. A poor defensive player. Maybe try to reconstruct his swing with intensive off season coaching? Package him in some kind of esoteric  deal and pay for a large chunk of his remaining contract? Do nothing and hope he beats the odds to climb near the Mendoza line? Mostly a pinch hitter with limited platooning? 

 

 

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Duren, Duren said:

Decline is a built in risk. Part of the calculus in paying for talent. 

It can happen anytime because of injury, age, skill erosion, loss of confidence, a bad attitude/work ethic.  Sometimes is slow and gradual, but sometimes it's sudden and immediate. 

 Angels got a couple of good years from Upton, so there were expectations of a slower decline. It is possible he does recover somewhat but not likely to reach close to his career averages. 

Problem is, he has locked down a roster spot beyond this season. What to do with him then? 

I can't think of anything that hasn't been tried. A power bat with sluggish bat speed. A poor defensive player. Maybe try to reconstruct his swing with intensive off season coaching? Package him in some kind of esoteric  deal and pay for a large chunk of his remaining contract? Do nothing and hope he beats the odds to climb near the Mendoza line? Mostly a pinch hitter with limited platooning? 

 

 

They may be stuck with him in 2021, but in 2022 he has just $28 million due to him.    They could then much more easily jettison him, if 2021 is still a struggle.  

[beatlesrule]

On 11/2/2017 at 10:35 AM, UndertheHalo said:

I think it’s fine that the angels stay away from Otani.  Guy is a massive boom/bust type.

[Taylor]

I remember this off season. They signed Upton on like day 3 and then radio silence for about four months.

[failos]

On 11/2/2017 at 10:35 AM, UndertheHalo said:

I think it’s fine that the angels stay away from Otani.  Guy is a massive boom/bust type.

[Inside Pitch]

That turf toe.....  boom.