Time to seriously consider trading Kendrick?

[Inside Pitch]

I miss the days when scouts were calling Kendrick "a batting title just waiting to happen".

 

I think we can toss that idea in the trash can.

You clearly haven't, if anything you're still holding that against him.   Some scout dreamed on what Howie could be, a sportswriter printed it, others repeated it, and then Kendrick spends his entire career having to answer for it.  

 

If not for the sheeple, Kendrick might actually be accepted for what he is rather than faulted for failing to live to what someone else hoped he would be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mtangelsfan]

You clearly haven't, if anything you're still holding that against him.   Some scout dreamed on what Howie could be, a sportswriter printed it, others repeated it, and then Kendrick spends his entire career having to answer for it.  

 

If not for the sheeple, Kendrick might actually be accepted for what he is rather than faulted for failing to live to what someone else hoped he would be.

 

Just one more instance where fans feel personally slighted when players don't live up to that fan's idea of what they would play like. 

[Inside Pitch]

Yes, trade HK.

 

He is overrated by most of AW and his numbers show that he's a better player than he is with regards to both sides of the ball.

 

He seems like a nice guy but when he's grinning ear to ear and joking with teammates when getting blown out, it makes me think that he doesn't care about winning or losing. He does his best on pure talent and whatever happens, happens. He doesn't care about improving his baseball IQ. As evidenced by him limiting the amount of advanced metrics given to him...and the low and away slider. He doesn't seem as if he enjoys thinking. His ABs are brainless. His talent can only go so far. Not bad for him because he's earned great money but he is not a guy I enjoy watching on the team I route for.

 

Trade for SP.

 

 

I remember when people made that argument as they railed against Jim Edmonds.  

 

Looking pissed totally means a guy cares, Disarcina, Hollins, Larry Bowa, and countless others were great examples of this and lord knows John Lackey is widely respected for his willingness to look mad when mistakes are made.... I know I always thought, "Man... that guy really wants to win", especially when he let his anger override his focus and he would fall apart.  Meanwhile, Kendrick stepped up and said the loss was on him, despite AP's failures and CJ Wilson's crappy game..  Next week someone will question wny nobody on this team ever owns up to their mistakes....

 

The circle of life.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[budice0]

Interesting datapoint to consider....

 

From Deadspin: "Leaked: 10 Months Of The Houston Astros' Internal Trade Talks"

http://deadspin.com/leaked-10-months-of-the-houston-astros-internal-trade-1597951970

 

11/4/2013

[stearns] spoke to [Angels AGM Matt Klentak]: LAA will look to supplement SP and RP. They are willing to deal from position player strength to fortify other areas. Four players they would consider dealing are Bourjos, Trumbo, Aybar, and Kendrick. DS told MK that of those four, we would likely have interest in Borjous down the road

Edited June 30, 2014 by budice0

[ksangel]

Lifetime, Kendrick has batted .280 (80/286) against the likes of Buehrle, Darvish, Gio Gonzalez, Sonny Gray, King Felix, Cliff Lee, Tommy Milone, David Price, Chris Sale, Max Scherzer, James Shields and Tanaka.

[Inside Pitch]

 

Interesting datapoint to consider....

 

From Deadspin: "Leaked: 10 Months Of The Houston Astros' Internal Trade Talks"

http://deadspin.com/leaked-10-months-of-the-houston-astros-internal-trade-1597951970

 

11/4/2013

[stearns] spoke to [Angels AGM Matt Klentak]: LAA will look to supplement SP and RP. They are willing to deal from position player strength to fortify other areas. Four players they would consider dealing are Bourjos, Trumbo, Aybar, and Kendrick. DS told MK that of those four, we would likely have interest in Borjous down the road

 

 

Ty for sharing that, pretty neat read.

[Blarg]

I'd like to know Kendrick's numbers against top pitchers. Obviously top pitchers are going to have good numbers against guys, but I bet Howie's numbers are terrible.

 

 

Lifetime, Kendrick has batted .280 (80/286) against the likes of Buehrle, Darvish, Gio Gonzalez, Sonny Gray, King Felix, Cliff Lee, Tommy Milone, David Price, Chris Sale, Max Scherzer, James Shields and Tanaka.

 

Thanks ksangel.

[OregonLAA]

Some of those names are questionable as great pitchers but thanks for the info

[OregonLAA]

.196/.208/.304 in his 4 playoff series

[Butcher'd]

Yes, it's time to trade Howie Kendrick. It's been time for years. Guy is the least clutch player on the team, and always seems to choke in the tough spots. I'd rather have Freese at the plate with runners on 1st and 3rd down by 1 in the 9th. That's how much Howie sucks. I've had enough of his crap, it's time to get some fresh blood at 2nd base because Howie can never get the job done when we need him to. Him and Pujols are my least favorite Angels. Both huge chokers in their Angel careers.

[Richard]

I'm sure GM's are lining up to deal away their cost control bullpen arms after reading this thread on Howie Kendrick.

I've said it before, but I don't think the board would love the return on Howie Kendrick. He seems more like a cost cutting move, rather than a big piece to acquire an effective bullpen arm. Grant Green makes more sense for other teams.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Richard

[Inside Pitch]

.196/.208/.304 in his 4 playoff series

 

Which set of small samples should we give greater credence to?  The 32 at bats in the ALDS where he's put up the .335 OPS or the one year the Angels made it the ALCS where he managed a .976 OPS in 14 at bats?  Shouldnt his numbers have gone down after his team went further into the postseason?

 

 

 

 

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Edited June 30, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[Inside Pitch]

I'm sure GM's are lining up to deal away their cost control bullpen arms after reading this thread on Howie Kendrick.

I've said it before, but I don't think the board would love the return on Howie Kendrick. He seems more like a cost cutting move, rather than a big piece to acquire an effective bullpen arm. Grant Green makes more sense for other teams.

 

 

Yep, people are misjudging what sort of team would actually want Kendrick.   He's a guy a BUYER goes after, a seller wants exactly the sort of player you mentioned.  Not sure there are many teams in contention willing to move a valuable proven RP.  If you move Kendrick now, you're basically moving him for guys like Cam Bedrosian and RJ Alvarez.  

[Blarg]

Some of those names are questionable as great pitchers but thanks for the info

You are a joke.

[tdawg87]

This team will get a whole lot whiter if Howie is traded. Unless he's traded for a black guy.

[jshep]

This team will get a whole lot whiter if Howie is traded. Unless he's traded for a black guy.

 

And the Frieri trade already made us whiter. Have to be careful.

[tdawg87]

And the Frieri trade already made us whiter. Have to be careful.

 

Frieri was already the whitest hispanic ever. We didn't lose much there. Ibanez was less white than him.

[tdawg87]

I didn't know Lifetime was batting .280 against those guys. That's pretty impressive!

[2002_halos_II]

Haven't seen enough of Green yet to determine if he would be a solid replacement for Howie. JMHO.

[disarcina]

why trade Kendrick? contract issues?

 

I know he could probably get us a decent rotation guy or a starter -- but I like Howie -- he's been great this year -- why trade him? because we can't sign him to an extension or something?

[disarcina]

meant to say 'or a closer'

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Only if he's part of a deal for Stanton.

[Hubs]

NO.

[ABC]

YES

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[SoCALkid]

Green and Mac aren't suitable replacements for Howie.

Nice try

Nice try, but if green actually had an opportunity to make consistent starts I'd bet he blows Howie out of the water. Offensively he is obviously better, defensively he just has to be OK. Because That's what Howie is.