Brian Goodwin traded to the Reds for Packy Naughton and Jose Salvador

[rafibomb]

41 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I just want to add that when you read “PTBN or cash” you can just ignore the “cash” part. It’s just a technicality that they have to put that in there in case something happens to the guy(s) they agreed on

Any idea how long they will wait until they announce the PTBNL? Usually the trade needs to be finalized within 6 months

Edited September 1, 2020 by rafibomb

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Any idea how long they will wait until they announce the PTBNL? Usually the trade needs to be finalized within 6 months

I heard something about 60 days, but I am not sure if that was the rule or just what it was with some other trade. 

[Jay]

5 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Packy Naughton sounds like the name of a drunk who gets banned from Fenway. 

LOL I just started reading this thread.

At the beginning of the thread it's like, "hope we get somebody good..." and I just started laughing.

[case]

20 minutes ago, floplag said:

A #14 prospect for a productive OF with 2 years of control...
I kinda got the argument about not getting much for a month of this guy or that one, but this seems ... underwhelming. 
If this week is Epplers best put me down for looking elsewhere after the season.

well we don't know the full trade yet so it's silly to grade it yet.  If this guy is the better of the two prospects then i would tend to agree with you though.

[Stradling]

It’s two pitching prospects for a good but not great bat who is a pretty poor defensive outfielder.  I’d agree it was not a great return if it was Goodwin plus others but it isn’t.  

[rafibomb]

12 minutes ago, TroutCron said:

 

It is a PTBNL or Cash. This tells me that the PTBNL is a low to moderate prospect not on the Red’s 60 Man Player Pool. The cash may be worth more than the prospect. 

 

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Except we’ve already been told to ignore the cash part. 

 

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I just want to add that when you read “PTBN or cash” you can just ignore the “cash” part. It’s just a technicality that they have to put that in there in case something happens to the guy(s) they agreed on

 

[Jeff Fletcher]

41 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Any idea how long they will wait until they announce the PTBNL? Usually the trade needs to be finalized within 6 months

Probably as soon as the whole 60-man thing is lifted. 

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Probably as soon as the whole 60-man thing is lifted. 

Have you gotten any indication of the quality of the pitcher that is the PTBNL?  Just curious who is the pitcher we might have coveted more.  

[Jeff Fletcher]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Have you gotten any indication of the quality of the pitcher that is the PTBNL?  Just curious who is the pitcher we might have coveted more.  

I was unable to get an answer to that question. 

[Stradling]

32 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I was unable to get an answer to that question. 

Do you have a hunch? 

[Taylor]

22 minutes ago, Stradling said:

So does that make assume anything?  

Well said.

[Vlad27Trout27]

Is it Roberto Baldoquin? 

[Stradling]

7 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Well said.

Yea it’s a garbage sentence.  

[Jeff Fletcher]

30 minutes ago, Stradling said:

So does that make assume anything?  

No

[tdawg87]

Wait. Hold on just a damn second here.

Eppler just traded one of our only black dudes for a m'fer named PACKY? 

New GM pls

[rafibomb]

It sounds like what people are most underwhelmed about is the ceiling of Packy. I'm sure if all we knew was the Angels trade Brian Goodwin for the Reds #13 prospect and a PTBNL there would a lot more people satisfied with the return. Hopefully, the PTBNL (another pitcher according to Fletcher) is a high ceiling prospect to make everyone happy.

Edited September 1, 2020 by rafibomb

[Angelfann9961]

From Cincinnati.com earlier this year:

Packy Naughton, LHP, Chattanooga

Pitching at Daytona and Chattanooga this year, the 23-year-old lefty had success at both levels. He’s posted a 3.43 ERA in 27 combined starts, striking out 124 and walking 34 in 149 ⅔ innings.

Naughton, MLB.com’s No. 13-ranked prospect in the organization, was a ninth-round pick in the 2017 Draft. He had a 2.99 ERA across his first 15 starts at Chattanooga, but he’s allowed 14 earned runs in his last 14 innings.  

[failos]

Brian Goodwin traded to the Reds for Nothing

[Chuck]

 

[Angel]

It's as simple as this, the more MLB fringe level pitching we get, the less committed Arte appears every season.

[floplag]

12 hours ago, case said:

well we don't know the full trade yet so it's silly to grade it yet.  If this guy is the better of the two prospects then i would tend to agree with you though.

No reason to think thee other guy will be better considering hes the PTBNL... but even still it also opens ANOTHER hole on the club.
Weve created more holes than weve filled.
This isnt close to what i hoped for

[AngelsFaninGA]

5 minutes ago, Game 6 said:

I don't see it that way. The Angels traded two expiring contracts in Castro and. La Stella and a mediocre outfielder who they signed off of waivers when he couldn't make the KC Royals roster. I don't see any holes created. The Angels have MLB ready, cost controlled players to plug in. This allows them to go after pitching in the offseason.

Do they though? Then we end up with guys like Ward/Thaiss/Walsh/etc in the lineup and they contribute nothing. Our farm is still weak

[Stradling]

16 minutes ago, floplag said:

No reason to think thee other guy will be better considering hes the PTBNL... but even still it also opens ANOTHER hole on the club.
Weve created more holes than weve filled.
This isnt close to what i hoped for

No.  This isn’t the case this year. We also didn’t create any extra holes by trading Goodwin.  You can sign a lefty platoon bat for about the same as Goodwin would have gotten in arb plus he’s a poor defensive player. 

[Stradling]

Also this year the PTBN isn’t necessarily worse because he wasn’t on the 60 man summer camp team.  He could be a recent draft pick or someone they chose not to put on the extra 30 man team. 

[Angel]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Also this year the PTBN isn’t necessarily worse because he wasn’t on the 60 man summer camp team.  He could be a recent draft pick or someone they chose not to put on the extra 30 man team. 

It kinda sucks because he's likely not close to MLB ready, we need MLB ready players to join our extended Spring Training experiment.