Calolfornia

[AngelsLakersFan]

The government should not be mandating good business sense. 

[Tank]

9 hours ago, arch stanton said:

missed it by a country mile, didn't i? ah well.

[Taylor]

https://babylonbee.com/news/california-now-requires-companies-to-have-at-least-one-gang-member-on-executive-board/

[Jason]

48 minutes ago, Taylor said:

https://babylonbee.com/news/california-now-requires-companies-to-have-at-least-one-gang-member-on-executive-board/

An illegal MS-13 one 

[gotbeer]

Taking money meant for financially pressed homeowners and using it to balance California's budget is plain wrong

So much wrong with this.  And yet, nothing to see here for the Dems.

[RallyMo]

On 9/4/2018 at 6:17 PM, Taylor said:

https://babylonbee.com/news/california-now-requires-companies-to-have-at-least-one-gang-member-on-executive-board/

If it were true...

They're just be trying to diversify in terms of types of crimes committed by board members.

[floplag]

19 hours ago, gotbeer said:

Taking money meant for financially pressed homeowners and using it to balance California's budget is plain wrong

So much wrong with this.  And yet, nothing to see here for the Dems.

Any questions on why socialism is doomed to fail need only read this one article.
Eventually you run out of other peoples money and have nothing left when there is no incentive to actually do better.

[Jason]

https://ktla.com/2018/11/12/cost-of-building-southland-section-of-california-bullet-train-could-go-up-by-11-billion-documents-show/

Good news! Thankfully Prop 6 didn't pass

 

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

https://ktla.com/2018/11/12/cost-of-building-southland-section-of-california-bullet-train-could-go-up-by-11-billion-documents-show/

Good news! Thankfully Prop 6 didn't pass

what are they waiting for? this thing is going to be a trillion dollars over budget and they're still going to press ahead with it. such stupidity.

 

this money would be so much more better spent by adding another lane in each direction on the 5 freeway through the central valley.

[gotbeer]

California voters should pass an ammendment that all costs of the crazy train will be absorbed by the riders of the crazy train and paid in full by those riders in 20 years.  I'm sure not many will want to pay a $500-$5000 train ride from LA to SF when they could fly for cheaper and faster for $100.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

I'm sure enough people would vote for that just like enough approved the bonds the first time around because they don't see it come out of their pocket directly.  Was reading an article this morning that referenced how Newsom has either a 9B or 16B surplus (article mentioned both) to work with.  I was sitting there thinking why couldn't that money be used for the road projects that will be funded by the additional gas tax or something else worthwhile then I realized a slush fund is a lot more fun.  I can't wait until the next recession when the state is running a deficit and they have something on the ballot that raises more tax revenue because of bloated spending.    

[Jason]

38 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

California voters should pass an ammendment that all costs of the crazy train will be absorbed by the riders of the crazy train and paid in full by those riders in 20 years.  I'm sure not many will want to pay a $500-$5000 train ride from LA to SF when they could fly for cheaper and faster for $100.

The California voters will just agree that more tax increases will be the best way to pay for it. 

[yk9001]

Can one of us just organize a prop to disband the bullet train?

Take our sunk costs and call it a day?

 

Would it be that hard?

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

I really do considering voters didn't elect to repeal prop 6.  Even before what Jason posted is taken into account over a year ago it was already expected to be like 40% over budget and a few years behind schedule while you know the cost will only go up and it will only take longer.  The billions not yet spent on the bullet train could be used to improve infrastructure, deal with droughts, fires and so on.  That said it epitomizes wasteful spending on something that's not needed so I expect it to continue full steam ahead.  The only possibility I see for stopping would be a recession and the state facing a deficit because until it hits people in their wallets they won't care.  

[gotbeer]

What's going to be funny is when the Fed's raise federal gas taxes to pay for national infrastructure interests.  And the libs are going to cry that it's unfair.  

[AngelsLakersFan]

I've had a few conversations with people who didn't vote to repeal prop 6 and the common denominator was that none of them realized it was going to raise taxes. Go figure, the money for advertising worked, and voters all thought it would 'cut funding' for roads.

[yk9001]

43 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I've had a few conversations with people who didn't vote to repeal prop 6 and the common denominator was that none of them realized it was going to raise taxes.

It wasn't going to raise taxes.

Did you mis-write or am I missing something?

[Tank]

4 hours ago, yk9001 said:

Can one of us just organize a prop to disband the bullet train?

Take our sunk costs and call it a day?

 

Would it be that hard?

i would fully support this. i'd make a better indian than a chief on leading this, however, so you find someone to take the lead and i will fall in line behind them.

[gotbeer]

1 hour ago, yk9001 said:

It wasn't going to raise taxes.

Did you mis-write or am I missing something?

12 cents per gallon tax already on a tank of gas that went into effect earlier this year.  Another 17 centers per gallon tax that goes into effect July 2019.  

So unless you don't drive, you will get hit with the tax.  Sad thing is, this will probably hurt the lower and middle class much harder, since they tend to not have as much income (duh) and they travel farther for their jobs since housing is unaffordable closer to where they work.  

[yk9001]

Prop 6 wasn't going to raise the taxes, though.

I am specifically addressing AngelsLakersFan's post.

 

I've had a few conversations with people who didn't vote to repeal prop 6 and the common denominator was that none of them realized it was going to raise taxes.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

I'm guessing he's trying to say that people didn't realize a yes vote meant an increase in the gas tax.  About two to three weeks before the election we got a small flyer in the mail that clarified what a yes/no vote meant for prop 6 and I recall that happened in one of other elections in the last 2-4 years.  Considering how many flyers we got I'm guessing some people just tossed a lot of that stuff when it came and may not have seen the prop 6 one. 

[Taylor]

24 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

I'm guessing he's trying to say that people didn't realize a yes vote meant an increase in the gas tax.  About two to three weeks before the election we got a small flyer in the mail that clarified what a yes/no vote meant for prop 6 and I recall that happened in one of other elections in the last 2-4 years.  Considering how many flyers we got I'm guessing some people just tossed a lot of that stuff when it came and may not have seen the prop 6 one. 

I didn't see a flyer, but I'm an informed voter who doesn't just take emotional political TV commercials at face value. I'm guessing the majority of voters are uninformed and believe 100% of the political ads they see.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Most of us are somewhat uninformed because the details of all the propositions and who really stands for what is harder to come by than it should be.  Most the information I got from candidates was a flyer telling me what their opponent is guilty of.  Then for propositions you get the commercials with an old veteran telling me to not vote in favor of prop 10 and another one that infers a no vote means some old guy who lived in his apartment for 25 years may get the boot and end up on the street eating cat food.  Politics has always been bad but these days you have to dig deep to find out who is or isn't supporting what candidate or prop then surmise why while it ultimately always goes back to the money.    

[Lhalo]

48 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

I'm guessing he's trying to say that people didn't realize a yes vote meant an increase in the gas tax.  About two to three weeks before the election we got a small flyer in the mail that clarified what a yes/no vote meant for prop 6 and I recall that happened in one of other elections in the last 2-4 years.  Considering how many flyers we got I'm guessing some people just tossed a lot of that stuff when it came and may not have seen the prop 6 one. 

But a yes vote didn't mean an increase in the gas tax.

[Adam]

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