Official 2015-2016 Hot Stove Thread

[Troll Daddy]

Dodgers trying to get a third team involved to get Fernandez. Which means that Miami doesn't want Puig.

I don't kno why not ...Mattingly and Puig were like peas in a pod.

[martinpa25]

I don't get how many of y'all are low on Cespedes..the guys a beast...remember Albert may not be ready by opening day..if that's the case who hits behind trout? We need an impact bat

[bloodbrother]

One thing with Cespedes is he knows AL pitching. Especially AL West. I like that

 

That and no draft pick compensation is certainly nice

[UndertheHalo]

I don't get how many of y'all are low on Cespedes..the guys a beast...remember Albert may not be ready by opening day..if that's the case who hits behind trout? We need an impact bat

 

I believe a previous poster explained it pretty clearly.  He strikes out at an incredible rate and he doesnt walk.  That means he has a horrible approach entirely dependent on his quick reaction/swing.  Cespedes swing is gonna slow down and he's gonna be ****ing terrible, he is on the wrong side of 30.  The Angels have carried around that shitty curse for the last 20 years.  Just sick of those players. I personally dont get the argument that his lack of a comp pick is a compelling reason to pursue him.  Its not, its like 20 something pick.  The opportunity is there for a younger talented OF in his prime.  Who gives a shit about some late round pick who is 50/50 at best to ever help the Angels maybe in 4 or 5 years.  The farm is shitty, one pick isn't gonna dramatically impact that.  

 

Like i've said before, i wont be devestated but it would be a missed opportunity.  Literally anyone else would be better then what we've had before.  Its a pretty low bar to try and get over.  Why don't we aim higher if we're gonna spend a shit load of money.  Cespedes will cost a ton, have no doubt.

Edited December 9, 2015 by UndertheHalo

[martinpa25]

I believe a previous poster explained it pretty clearly. He strikes out at an incredible rate and he doesnt walk. The Angels have carried around that shitty curse for the last 20 years. Just sick of those players. Cespedes swing is gonna slow down and he's gonna be ****ing terrible. I personally dont get the argument that his lack of a comp pick is like a compelling reason to pursue him. Its not, its like 20 something pick. The opportunity is there for a younger talented OF in his prime. Who gives a shit about some late round pick who is 50/50 at best to ever help the Angels maybe in 4 or 5 years.

The Angels have been in some bad luck with players..look at beltre..David Ortiz..they still produce at the age they're at

[CanadianHalo]

After Heyward I think Cespedes is the best option. I've been big on Cespedes since the beginning of last season. I like Upton because he's only 28 but damn does he strike out a ton. I remember watching an interview with J-UP during all star break discussing how he's really had to make adjustments to the weather in SD. Talked about how it cools off at night and how he's basically struggling with that versus the weather in Atlanta.

Obviously Heyward fits us the best but if he's actually going to get 200 million I'm not sure how much that'll impact everything else going forward. We obviously need more than just one guy so if Cespedes allows us to still pursue more than I prefer this route.

[bloodbrother]

The Angels have been in some bad luck with players..look at beltre..David Ortiz..they still produce at the age they're at

 

That's because those players actually have good approaches at the plate. Don't K a lot and draw walks. That just means they get themselves into good hitters counts. Cespedes swings at everything

[UndertheHalo]

more and more, I'm starting to really hate the Cespedes idea.  goddamnit.

[martinpa25]

That's because those players actually have good approaches at the plate. Don't K a lot and draw walks. That just means they get themselves into good hitters counts. Cespedes swings at everything

What about that dude the Angels used to have named Vladimir? Yeah, two totally different players but you get my point..the fact is that the Angels need an impact bat, someone that pitchers think about when he's in the hole..that doesn't include the likes of Fowler, Span, Parra nor Gordon..good players but no Cespedes..and the $$ will prove this ....the guys a game changer..he put the mets on his back

[UndertheHalo]

What about that dude the Angels used to have named Vladimir? Yeah, two totally different players but you get my point..the fact is that the Angels need an impact bat, someone that pitchers think about when he's in the hole..that doesn't include the likes of Fowler, Span, Parra nor Gordon..good players but no Cespedes..and the $$ will prove this ....the guys a game changer..he put the mets on his back

 

 

oh christ man,  yea they're totally different.  Other then having a morons approach at the plate they nothing in common.  Vlad was a freak and while he was young it worked out.  As soon as his bat speed diminished it was over.  It'll be the same for Cespedes but 10x worse.  We'd be getting him in the latter portion of his career.  If they give him a 5 or 6 year deal it'll be a nightmare.  Imagine having to deal with both Pujols and Cespedes in decline.  

[martinpa25]

oh christ man, yea they're totally different. Other then having a morons approach at the plate they nothing in common. Vlad was a freak and while he was young it worked out. As soon as his bat speed diminished it was over. It'll be the same for Cespedes but 10x worse. We'd be getting him in the latter portion of his career. If they give him a 5 or 6 year deal it'll be a nightmare. Imagine having to deal with both Pujols and Cespedes in decline.

It is what it is bro..I just think Cespedes is the man the Angels should target and by what's being said they think so too.

Edited December 9, 2015 by martinpa25

[bloodbrother]

First of all, Vlad>>>>Cespedes. Vlad swung at everything but he also never struck out anywhere near the level Cespedes did. Also, while I love Vlad, remember how quickly he tailed off towards the end of his contract here....and the ANgels signed him when he was 28 years old. Cespedes is already 30

 

What he did with the Mets is not what they should be banking on. Way too small a sample size. That's 2 months out of 1 season

[UndertheHalo]

Just have to hope they're smarter then that.  It seems like the red flags should be screaming to the heavens on Cespedes.  I cant over emphasis enough how little the stupid comp pick matters when your talking about acquiring a good MLB player in their prime.  

[bloodbrother]

Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine

Cubs not done yet according to source . Big time outfielder next ? Hayward -Gordan - Car Go ?

[CanadianHalo]

I'm guessing this is why we've turned our attention to Cespedes, if the Cubs want Heyward they'll get him

[JAHV76]

Cespedes, Chen, Sipp and Freese would not be a bad offseason. Of course that means they split 2B between Giovatella and Pennington.

[kingsosha]

Other thoughts on Maeda? I think he's a bit better than Chen and can anchor the #2/3 behind G-Rich.

[JAHV76]

Yovani Gallardo is another SP option to consider

[NrM]

Wow indeed. Looks like Atl got their SS of the future after all. Wouldn't Swanson have to be a PTBNL then?

 

DBacks are also apparently close to a deal for Leake. 

 

How's that infield defense in AZ?

 

Braves received their number 1 and 2 prospect.  Pretty great deal. They might have the best farmsystem in baseball after this and the simmons trade.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Poozy

[ELEVEN]

That cespedes rocket arm in LF

I was at this game. It was beautiful

I agree. Best throw I ever saw.

[nate]

Yeah, it was amazing.  Dude has done that a few times to us.

[Cdaniel]

Hector santiago, angels lhp, is being talked about in trade. @Alden_Gonzalez and tr Sullivan 1st

[wopphil]

Inconsistent though Hector is, he still has a career ERA+ of 110 and is under club control for two more seasons. He should have some decent value.

[Stradling]

im assuming everyone not named Trout, Weaver and Albert are being talked about in trades.

[totdprods]

Wouldn't surprise me if there was a team who looks at his first half stats and thinks they can make that more the norm.

Methinks Pittsburgh and Walker.