Official 2021 Trade Deadline Discussion Thread

[Angels Fan Forever]

1 hour ago, ettin said:

So I see you were talking about Raisel. What you don't realize or want to accept is that we have an owner who doesn't want to be a loser, no matter how much he interferes in baseball operations. You have a perfectly acceptable right to believe we should be sellers, but that directly conflicts with what Moreno wants which is to win, even if the odds are not in our favor. I am fine if we do or do not extend Raisel, there are always options to build a bullpen out of, so Minasian can literally go out on the market and steal away another good reliever from another team, rather than re-signing Iglesias (Raisel) at what will likely be a $15M/year type of deal. Maybe they do, maybe they don't, there are always options.

This point is missed by many. Arte is not intellectually or emotionally well suited to do what the Cubs and Nats did this month. It's his team. What are you going to do...

[Rico]

Will we offer Cobb a qualifying offer?  It's like 19 million right? And we get a high draft pick if he signs somewhere else.  Too much for Cobb?

[Revad]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

Will we offer Cobb a qualifying offer?  It's like 19 million right? And we get a high draft pick if he signs somewhere else.  Too much for Cobb?

Yes.

[Docwaukee]

6 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Maybe, and I'm going out on a limb here, but just maybe he didn't receive an offer for them that was worth taking. At some point he has to field a team after the trade deadline and getting nothing worth keeping isn't worth losing innings. 

I know you think there are all these scenarios that work on paper but 29 other GMs disagreed. 

maybe.  but what isn't worth it for a guy who isn't going to be with the team next year on a squad that isn't going anywhere this year?  Who cares if you win 79 games or 83?  

Do you really believe that 29 other GM were all in unison about not giving up something better for Cobb and Iglesias than we got for Watson and Heaney?  

We've been fielding a sub .500 team for 5 years.  Does having a winning record this year equal a moral victory or would you rather have some additional options to choose from next year that we don't have now?  Or if not next year than the year after.  Or the year after that.  

That's part of my problem.  Everything is always about what's 3 feet in front of them.  Sure you have to mind the car in front of you, but if everyone is slamming on their breaks a quarter mile a head of you, you might want to take that into account.  

[Docwaukee]

5 minutes ago, Rico said:

Will we offer Cobb a qualifying offer?  It's like 19 million right? And we get a high draft pick if he signs somewhere else.  Too much for Cobb?

if Cobb gets a qual offer then the Angels are just blatantly stupid.  He'll take that in a heart beat and it would be a massive waste of what money they have to rebuild an entire pen next year.  And add a halfway decent SS.  And maybe another starter.  Or two.  And a decent backup catcher who can actually catch a pitch down the middle without making it look like a ball.  

[Angels Fan Forever]

50 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

who cares about that?  seriously.  they missed a chance to improve today for almost no reason not to.  this team will never get better if they can make the right decisions that might hurt people's feelings in the short term or are geared toward unrealistic short term goals.  

It's Arte Doc. He is who he is.

[Docwaukee]

12 minutes ago, Revad said:

Ive put guacamole on pizza.  It helps.

warm guac?  ewww.  

[tdawg87]

13 minutes ago, Revad said:

Ive put guacamole on pizza.  It helps.

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Iglesias is a surprise. But I guess the pen is so weak, they didnt want to lose the one decent arm. If they sign him this winter, not the end of the world.

Im honestly not surprised at Cobb. Id like to believe hes turned a corner. But what @Tank mentioned yesterday, we thought the same about Bundy last year.

I just assume there werent many offers of anything good being offered for him. "Something" maybe. But maybe not enough to take the hit in losing him.

Im not too letdown, just because I didnt see us having a whole lot to trade to begin with.

Id still like to see a move for pitching, using some of our guys in the minors. But thats not deadline deal stuff. More winter trades.

Agreed

Edited July 30, 2021 by stormngt

[mmc]

 

[tdawg87]

Lol

[mmc]

 

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[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

I mean, have they?  They're .500 with a -37 run differential and the 10th-best record out of 15 teams in the league.

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

[bloodbrother]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Says this while willingly just watching this awful pen he assembled and doing nothing about it. Ok then

[CanadianHalo]

3 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Thank you to those teams that offered what they did and saved this desperate franchise from digging themselves deeper into this hole they’re in

[AngelsLakersFan]

Can anyone remember a worse trade deadline? I hate to break it to some of you but Iglesias will not be re-signed. Fortunately the players will all feel supported and try their hardest because Minasian proved today that he still believes in them despite their -40 run differential.

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

Do you think Iglesias should have been traded for anything? 

He should’ve been traded for the best real offer that was on the table for him.

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[Mark68]

Apparently, they did float Iglesias's name. I don't know if it was just to see what would be offered for him, but...

Angels Make Raisel Iglesias Available In Trade Talks - MLB Trade Rumors

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

2 minutes ago, Angels Fan Forever said:

So you're good at this and I'm not. What is an expected return you think we could have got from, let's say, the Padres or the Dodgers? Based on the other moves, knowing he is a two month rental?

More than we got for Watson and Heaney

[mmc]

I put on Roger Lodge while I was driving for the first time in years, guy is currently talking about how the thought of Heaney being on the Yankees makes him want to throw up after spending 15 minutes whining about how bad the Russell Westbrook trade is for the Lakers

[jsnpritchett]

30 minutes ago, mmc said:

I put on Roger Lodge while I was driving for the first time in years, guy is currently talking about how the thought of Heaney being on the Yankees makes him want to throw up after spending 15 minutes whining about how bad the Russell Westbrook trade is for the Lakers

Seeing the words "Roger Lodge" on my screen makes me want to throw up. 

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by jsnpritchett