The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Whoops, meant to have Detmers in there after Adell.

[Lazorko Saves]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

not what I would do. It's a deliberately ridiculous scenario where the Angels overpay.

Yeah, not even Tony Reagins would consider something like this.

[Angel Oracle]

4 hours ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Yeah, not even Tony Reagins would consider something like this.

Especially if taking on Heyward’s entire salary through 2023?

[Lou]

There's no way in hell we're taking on Heyward's contract. 

[Pancake Bear]

Contreras and Hendricks would be something like Adell and Detmers as a return, if that is accurate. We'd probably have to add a little bit on that, though. Marsh for Contreras straight up might be close.

[ukyah]

5 hours ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Yeah, not even Tony Reagins would consider something like this.

this tool really needs to be weighted against actual trades that are made this year to see if it has any real world application. it would be cool if it did, because it really helps to define value, especially when contracts are a factor. having said that, it's funny to me to see this thread where people are laughing at the ridiculousness of the "trade" from both sides of the aisle.

[Erstad Grit]

29 minutes ago, Lou said:

There's no way in hell were taking on Heyward's contract. 

Would giving them Upton make taking Heyward possible? (Yes I know Upton has a no trade)

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Would giving them Upton make taking Heyward possible? (Yes I know Upton has a no trade)

No.

[Docwaukee]

18 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Would giving them Upton make taking Heyward possible? (Yes I know Upton has a no trade)

Mike Lowery:
Ok look, we're a partnership, but we're a partnership with boundaries. We got a new rule. From now on you can't say the word flaccid to me. This is our little “boundary box”. We're gonna take the word flaccid and put it in there with my mom's titties and your erection problem and we gonna close this box and we gonna throw this bitch in the ocean. And the only way that you can get to this box is you gotta be motherf***in' Jacques Cousteau.

 

Upton is in the boundary box.  

[Lou]

21 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Mike Lowery:
Ok look, we're a partnership, but we're a partnership with boundaries. We got a new rule. From now on you can't say the word flaccid to me. This is our little “boundary box”. We're gonna take the word flaccid and put it in there with my mom's titties and your erection problem and we gonna close this box and we gonna throw this bitch in the ocean. And the only way that you can get to this box is you gotta be motherf***in' Jacques Cousteau.

 

Upton is in the boundary box.  

We ride together, we die together. 

[eligrba]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

There's no way in hell were taking on Heyward's contract. 

But......we need pitching.

[Erstad Grit]

43 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Mike Lowery:
Ok look, we're a partnership, but we're a partnership with boundaries. We got a new rule. From now on you can't say the word flaccid to me. This is our little “boundary box”. We're gonna take the word flaccid and put it in there with my mom's titties and your erection problem and we gonna close this box and we gonna throw this bitch in the ocean. And the only way that you can get to this box is you gotta be motherf***in' Jacques Cousteau.

 

Upton is in the boundary box.  

Normally I also disdain the "let's trade the worst contract we have" suggestions. However Heyward could easily be argued a worse contract. If Cubs are in full re-build I think they'd take Upton to get prospects and unload Heyward. 

[Revad]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Especially if taking on Heyward’s entire salary through 2023?

No way unless they pay it down $10 million a year.  Meanwhile why not let right field develop.  One reason I like Trout and Rendon is they give space to let position players break in.  I hope Pujols has a great year but by 2022 there’s space for a new DH.  And I think the lineup is good without it.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

6 hours ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Yeah, not even Tony Reagins would consider something like this.

Pull Sandoval and swap in Upton and even add Devereux! Trade of large contracts. Right handed power is important in Wrigley.

[Pancake Bear]

57 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Normally I also disdain the "let's trade the worst contract we have" suggestions. However Heyward could easily be argued a worse contract. If Cubs are in full re-build I think they'd take Upton to get prospects and unload Heyward. 

Missing the point. Upton cannot be moved unless he wishes to be. He's almost certain to reject a trade unless it's to a clear contender (who wouldn't be likely to want him).

Upton is here. That isn't changing. We need to stop discussing this. 

[Revad]

If he’s healthy you want him in the lineup.

[T.G.]

6 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Missing the point. Upton cannot be moved unless he wishes to be. He's almost certain to reject a trade unless it's to a clear contender (who wouldn't be likely to want him).

Upton is here. That isn't changing. We need to stop discussing this. 

But...

[Erstad Grit]

35 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Missing the point. Upton cannot be moved unless he wishes to be. He's almost certain to reject a trade unless it's to a clear contender (who wouldn't be likely to want him).

Upton is here. That isn't changing. We need to stop discussing this. 

Hamilton was traded

Wells was traded (twice!) 

Best case scenario would be Upton going where he left off. 

 

 

 

[Pancake Bear]

26 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Hamilton was traded

Wells was traded (twice!) 

Best case scenario would be Upton going where he left off. 

 

 

 

Different situations. Hamilton had made himself unwelcome here. Wells had been relegated to a benchwarmer. Both obviously needed a new team to have any chance at playing time. That is not the case here. 

There is a near zero chance Upton gets traded.

[T.G.]

4 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Different situations. Hamilton had made himself unwelcome here. Wells had been relegated to a benchwarmer. Both obviously needed a new team to have any chance at playing time. That is not the case here. 

There is a near zero chance Upton gets traded.

But...

[Jay]

Any news on Bauer?

[Angel Oracle]

4 hours ago, Pancake Bear said:

Missing the point. Upton cannot be moved unless he wishes to be. He's almost certain to reject a trade unless it's to a clear contender (who wouldn't be likely to want him).

Upton is here. That isn't changing. We need to stop discussing this. 

Basically a team close to where his daughter is, would be the only possible destinations.

[Angel Oracle]

Come on Arte, you can suck it up on budget for two years.

It’s long past time to bring in a REAL FA starting pitcher, NOT washed ups like Harvey, Cahill, Nolasco, or Blanton.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Angel Oracle

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Come on Arte, you can suck it up on budget for two years.

It’s long past time to bring in a REAL FA starting pitcher, NOT washed ups like Harvey, Cahill, or Blanton.

Arte isn’t here. He doesn’t read the message board. He doesn’t see anything you post.

You're welcome.

[T.G.]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Basically a team close to where his daughter is, would be the only possible destinations.

According to who?