The Official 2020-2021 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Tank]

51 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Aren’t you tiring of Del Taco food?

not in the least. 

 

 

 

 

*I only eat there during the off-season when I'm wooing prospective free agents

[Second Base]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

the last time we had a player pitch 180 innings with an ERA around 4.00 was five years ago.  Quintana is exactly what this rotation needs.  Solid innings.  

I disagree. This rotation needs upside. Like Bauer, Gray, Castillo, etc...

Quintana would be fine as a second acquisition.

[tdawg87]

I'm pretty sure Teheran was the Quintana signing of 2020.

Don't care about the peripherals. 

Quintana is fine as the 2nd guy. But if we're going with him and Odorizzi then fuck that.

[jsnpritchett]

4 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm pretty sure Teheran was the Quintana signing of 2020.

 

I honestly had to go and check on this, because it seems like that was 2019, but you're right.  Don't know if it was the shitshow of everything that happened in the world in 2020 that made me forget, or the shock at just how awful his performance was.  Dude had a 10.05 ERA.  Lol.

[Lazorko Saves]

4 hours ago, Second Base said:

I disagree. This rotation needs upside. Like Bauer, Gray, Castillo, etc...

Quintana would be fine as a second acquisition.

Yeah, I feel we really need to have that guy we run out there in a Games 1+5 (or 1+4+7) of a playoff series to at least somewhat match the elite aces you see in those situations from other teams.

Although we did run Jarrod Washburn and Kevin Appier out in those situations in 2002, and, well...

[Docwaukee]

I'd rather have Quintana on a one year deal over Odorizzi on a three year deal every day of the week.  

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

I'd rather have Quintana on a one year deal over Odorizzi on a three year deal every day of the week.  

On Wednesdays?

[Inside Pitch]

6 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm pretty sure Teheran was the Quintana signing of 2020.

Don't care about the peripherals. 

Quintana is fine as the 2nd guy. But if we're going with him and Odorizzi then fuck that.

Equating Quintana to Teheran is pretty Canadian.   They are about as dissimilar as two guys could be. 

The peripherals you're dismissing were the reason to stay away from Teheran.  Both guys had misleading ERAs in Teheran's case the ERA was masking awfulness, with Quintana it's the complete opposite.

[T.G.]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

Equating Quintana to Teheran is pretty Canadian.   They are about as dissimilar as two guys could be. 

That there is pretty darn funny!!!

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

I'd rather have Quintana on a one year deal over Odorizzi on a three year deal every day of the week.  

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2020&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=

fWAR isn't the best judge of pitchers but....  Top 30 SPs using fWAR 2017-2020

25 - Sonny Gray, 27 - Blake Snell, 29 - Yu Dervish, 30 - Quintana.

He's no front line guy but he's been better than people realize.

[Lazorko Saves]

14 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Yu Dervish

Man, I wish we would have traded for that guy.  His entrance from the bullpen would have blown away Robles'.

[Docwaukee]

30 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2020&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=

fWAR isn't the best judge of pitchers but....  Top 30 SPs using fWAR 2017-2020

25 - Sonny Gray, 27 - Blake Snell, 29 - Yu Dervish, 30 - Quintana.

He's no front line guy but he's been better than people realize.

his peripherals have been pretty stable with the cubs for his time there with a bit of a rise in bb rate and hr rate.  I'm not sure if the data totally backs it up, but Callaway seems very good at helping pitchers keep the ball in the yard.  

Do I want the other pitcher we're hope to add to be better than him?  sure

If Quintana is the best of the two pitchers we get, I won't be horribly disappointed.  

[Inside Pitch]

5 hours ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Man, I wish we would have traded for that guy.  His entrance from the bullpen would have blown away Robles'.

This may be my favorite Photoshop on here in a long time.  I was so vigilant of my autocorrect trying to change Yu to You, I never considered it might change Darvish, to Dervish...

[tdawg87]

6 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Equating Quintana to Teheran is pretty Canadian.   They are about as dissimilar as two guys could be. 

The peripherals you're dismissing were the reason to stay away from Teheran.  Both guys had misleading ERAs in Teheran's case the ERA was masking awfulness, with Quintana it's the complete opposite.

Don't care. 

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, Dochalo said:

his peripherals have been pretty stable with the cubs for his time there with a bit of a rise in bb rate and hr rate.  I'm not sure if the data totally backs it up, but Callaway seems very good at helping pitchers keep the ball in the yard.  

Do I want the other pitcher we're hope to add to be better than him?  sure

If Quintana is the best of the two pitchers we get, I won't be horribly disappointed.  

He shouldn't be viewed as plan A, but people thinking Odorizzi is something to get excited about while Quintana is garbage just haven't looked at the numbers.

[tdawg87]

I don't want either guy. 

If Minasian sees Quintana as a legit addition then I'll be fine with it, but if he's the pitching signing then something went very wrong this offseason.

 

[Revad]

We’re setting ourselves up for disappointment because expectations (fantasy?) is out of line with reality.  Kind of like when I want a real live woman but she’s tired, doesn’t feel sexy, doesn’t actually like sex in the first place, and didn’t shave her legs.  But at the end no matter how stupid is I’ll still be looking for an ace chick.

[T.G.]

When the authorities come snooping around here asking about a certain poster, I won’t be one of those people who say “I had I idea he was capable of such things...” I’ll be the guy who says “Hell yes, I knew there was something off about that guy.”

[Revad]

3 minutes ago, T.G. said:

When the authorities come snooping around here asking about a certain poster, I won’t be one of those people who say “I had I idea he was capable of such things...” I’ll be the guy who says “Hell yes, I knew there was something off about that guy.”

First of all he was an Angels fan and regular poster on AW.  He knew he was more than a little misunderstood.

[mmc]

 

[mmc]

I wanted him, but no way we could’ve afforded this

 

[Stradling]

That is a lot of money for Schwarber

[AngelStew43]

For a poor defensive OF who K's a lot, that is a LOT of money.  Maybe Joc will get more than I thought. 

[Second Base]

Schwarber got more in FA than he would've received had the Cubs tendered him a contract. 

Strange off-season continues. And here we are, approaching MLK Day and the Angels still haven't signed or traded for a single starting pitcher.

But they have reportedly expressed interest in acquiring a catcher....

[tdawg87]

Lol @ 10 million.

Thank you, Minasian!