The Angels Pitching Staff

[tdawg87]

[CanadianHalo]

The Angels*

[Homebrewer]

[Stradling]

Might have been better than the offense today

[Vlad27Trout27]

 

What ever this Philosophy is, it sucks, all its awarding us with is Tjs.

[tdawg87]

12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Might have been better than the offense today

No.

[Stradling]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

No.

I’ll call it a tie.  One run against Cahill.

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

I’ll call it a tie.  One run against Cahill.

Yeah, sure. But if the pitching doesn't put you in a deep hole (gross) early on then that changes the entire game.

[TooCool]

If I were on the Halos pitching staff, it must be nice to suck at my job regularly and have job security.

[AngelsLakersFan]

I'd like to see the stats on odds of winning a game when you score 2 runs vs odds of winning a game where you give up 8 runs. I gotta think you are more likely to win scoring 2 than allowing 8.

[eligrba]

This is where Eppler has failed the most. I do not know why, but the Angels consistently find mediocre pitchers either via trades, signings or drafts.

 

[AngelsFaninGA]

But Callaway...

Seems like not even a great pitching coach can salvage the flotsam that Eppler keeps signing

[Mark PT]

1 hour ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

 

What ever this Philosophy is, it sucks, all its awarding us with is Tjs.

I need more on this. What philosophy is there? You scout and know hitters tendencies and you hit your spots. Harvey could throw strikes and when he did, they were all Broadway. 

[John Taylor]

1 hour ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

 

What ever this Philosophy is, it sucks, all its awarding us with is Tjs.

Don't we have a different Pitching coach this year though? I mean the coaching staff is completely different from last year, not to mention I doubt Eppler is telling pitchers how to pitch, so this quote is irrelevant. 

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, John Taylor said:

Don't we have a different Pitching coach this year though? I mean the coaching staff is completely different from last year, not to mention I doubt Eppler is telling pitchers how to pitch, so this quote is irrelevant. 

Yes

[John Taylor]

I mean looking at our Pitching staff:

Heaney - Has never been a #1, can't pitch with 2 outs

Ohtani - Arm is made of glass

Bundy - Pitching above his expectations (except today where he met his expectations for the first time)

Teheran - Still in extended spring training.

Sandoval - He's Pablo Patrick Sandoval, if he doesnt end up getting Tommy John this season I'd call that exceeding expectations.

 

Bullpen - A bunch of bums

 

Our pitching philosophy isn't the issue, its our shitty pitching staff that's the issue.

[Slegnaac]

2 hours ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

 

What ever this Philosophy is, it sucks, all its awarding us with is Tjs.

I seem to recall that Harvey had issues with hitting the target the catcher set, so ya philosophical differences.

[Don]

The organization has kinda screwed up and/or been unlucky in pretty much every avenue a team can use to build a staff. We haven't developed a top level SP (think major league 1/2) starter in quite a while, which either means we've been incredibly unlucky with drafting/international pickups, or we're just crap at developing pitchers, or a combination of the two. We've also been bad/unlucky with signing/trading for big name guys, which is either because the big names just don't want to play here or our front office couldn't swing the moves. So now we're left with trying to find the proverbial "clean peanut" every year, which is really the hardest way to build a staff. It just takes some ridiculously good scouting and coaching, plus good injury luck. A couple teams have managed to do well with that in the past (it seems like the Cardinals have been consistently successful with that sort of thing for like 25 years now), but it's by far and away more difficult than doing it through the draft/development or sign/trade method. Basically we've been relying on the third best option for building a staff for several years now, and we're crap at that approach too.

[GrittyVeterans]

We haven’t spent big money on a starting pitcher since CJ Wilson in 2011 and Jered Weaver was re-signed. 
 

it’s time to roll the dice on trying to acquire an actual ace. Spend some money

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

I’ll call it a tie.  One run against Cahill.

Two runs against a sad sack pitching staff on a hot and hitting friendly day

[tomsred]

[Mark PT]

15 hours ago, Don said:

The organization has kinda screwed up and/or been unlucky in pretty much every avenue a team can use to build a staff. We haven't developed a top level SP (think major league 1/2) starter in quite a while, which either means we've been incredibly unlucky with drafting/international pickups, or we're just crap at developing pitchers, or a combination of the two. We've also been bad/unlucky with signing/trading for big name guys, which is either because the big names just don't want to play here or our front office couldn't swing the moves. So now we're left with trying to find the proverbial "clean peanut" every year, which is really the hardest way to build a staff. It just takes some ridiculously good scouting and coaching, plus good injury luck. A couple teams have managed to do well with that in the past (it seems like the Cardinals have been consistently successful with that sort of thing for like 25 years now), but it's by far and away more difficult than doing it through the draft/development or sign/trade method. Basically we've been relying on the third best option for building a staff for several years now, and we're crap at that approach too.

I mean I saw their plan, and to be fair it has been derailed by injury and death. They felt they had two good number twos in Heaney and Scaggs. Then Canning and Sandoval coming up with a large ceiling. And finally, Ohtani was the big signing of the ace-type pitcher. The problem is that all of these guys are over-rated. Heaney and Scaggs were both 4-5 guys at best with as many bad days as good. Canning and Sandoval are probably 3-5 guys at best and as said Ohtani cant stay healthy. The people evaluating talent just plain suck.

[Blarg]

18 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

And to compound it that's Shit Creek. 

[Chuck]

Outside of Ohtani's arm issues, this is all on Eppler. He's had ample time to prove that he cannot put a winning team and successful pitching staff together. 

I like the guy and think he's well intentioned and I'll forever be grateful for the Ohtani signing and Trout extension, but he doesn't have a clue on building a good pitching rotation and for that matter, a solid bullpen. 

[Angels in 2030]

i'm not fully following every team in BB like i used to do.  So i'm aware of mostly just the Angels and the AL west.  But serious question, is there any team that has a worst SP staff than the Angels?  i don't mean stats wise necessarily.  I mean everything -- stats, potential, Aces, depth, ready to step in youngsters, etc.  I would hazard a guess that the Angels, if not the worst, have to be bottom 5.  At least crappy teams can dream upon their studly SP farm prospects. It's been forever it seems that we developed a consistent top 3 rotation SP.  Is there truly a guy in our farm system now that has shown, performance + health, will be one eventually?  

Heck, for the next 5 years, we are hoping for a guy who can't stay healthy nor has shown for more than a handful of starts that he can be a true SP in MLB (Othani)......and a newly drafted guy who hasn't pitched as a pro yet (Detmer)....a single A guy who has had very bad back problems (Chris Rodriguez).....and a reclamation project (Bundy).  Maybe some other random low A guys.  That's sad.