SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Well folks, it's been fun....

 

[Blarg]

9 hours ago, tennischmp said:

I don't think it's rocket science, NY did it right and controlled the virus, if every state did it how NY did we wouldn't have a problem right now. 

New York is the poster child of missmanagement. They allowed mass transit to continue, did not issue stay at home orders, delayed social distancing rules, did not shut down nightclubs or restaurants while the virus was spiking and sent COVID seniors back to senior centers to infect entire facilities.

They have nearly 400k confirmed cases and over 30K in deaths, 18K in New York city alone. 

California in comprison has about 260k cases and 6,300 deaths, only 3,400 in Los Angeles county.

The death rate in California is .024, New York is .081.

You are so badly missinformed. 

[T.G.]

4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Well folks, it's been fun...

Has it really?

[Jason]

4 hours ago, wopphil said:

Not only that, but I am not sure their response was that much different/better than California. I almost wonder if the virus has just run its course through NY and they are seeing something like a herd immunity. 

That’s how viruses work 

[tennischmp]

5 hours ago, wopphil said:

Not only that, but I am not sure their response was that much different/better than California. I almost wonder if the virus has just run its course through NY and they are seeing something like a herd immunity. 

Umm they kept their state lockdown a month more than CA

and based on this article it’s not herd immunity 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/roughly-25percent-of-new-york-city-has-probably-been-infected-with-coronavirus-dr-scott-gottlieb-says.html

[tennischmp]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

That’s how viruses work 

Does the US have a different virus than almost every country in the world including Canada and EU

[UndertheHalo]

NY does not have herd immunity and is not approaching herd immunity.  You guys keep saying this but you don’t really want to know what the road to rapid herd immunity looks like.
 

just wear the masks and be smart about gatherings and going out.  Beating the virus can be achieved without a million people dying.  
 

also, NY handled it far worse than California.  They paid the price.  We’re still trying to stave off that terrible scenario.  Newsom should not have let the openings happen as rapidly as they did.  I am not advocating for the March style shut downs again.  But we need to be reasonable about what’s going on here.  Enforce the mask requirements.  Don’t allow large gatherings.  And of course there’s only so much that the government can do.  People do need to be responsible for themselves and their neighbors and make the right choices.  Sorry it’s inconvenient and little uncomfortable. 

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, tennischmp said:

Does the US have a different virus than almost every country in the world including Canada and EU

There are different strains.  But of course, our response has been a pretty bad failure compared to other similarly developed countries. 

[tennischmp]

10 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

NY does not have herd immunity and is not approaching herd immunity.  You guys keep saying this but you don’t really want to know what the road to rapid herd immunity looks like.
 

just wear the masks and be smart about gatherings and going out.  Beating the virus can be achieved without a million people dying.  
 

also, NY handled it far worse than California.  They paid the price.  We’re still trying to stave off that terrible scenario.  Newsom should not have let the openings happen as rapidly as they did.  I am not advocating for the March style shut downs again.  But we need to be reasonable about what’s going on here.  Enforce the mask requirements.  Don’t allow large gatherings.  And of course there’s only so much that the government can do.  People do need to be responsible for themselves and their neighbors and make the right choices.  Sorry it’s inconvenient and little uncomfortable. 

NY handled it bad until they realized how bad it was but after they shutdown they were able to control the spread(case wise) and their reopening was much better. The coronavirus task force came out with gain criteria for state reopening which required a 14 day decrease in case count before even lifting the lockdown and no states other than NY, NJ followed it. 

[Brandon]

15 hours ago, tennischmp said:

I don't think it's rocket science, NY did it right and controlled the virus, if every state did it how NY did we wouldn't have a problem right now. 

Glad we have a doctor on the board to help make sense of all of this

[Adam]

20 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

NY does not have herd immunity and is not approaching herd immunity.  You guys keep saying this but you don’t really want to know what the road to rapid herd immunity looks like.
 

just wear the masks and be smart about gatherings and going out.  Beating the virus can be achieved without a million people dying.  
 

also, NY handled it far worse than California.  They paid the price.  We’re still trying to stave off that terrible scenario.  Newsom should not have let the openings happen as rapidly as they did.  I am not advocating for the March style shut downs again.  But we need to be reasonable about what’s going on here.  Enforce the mask requirements.  Don’t allow large gatherings.  And of course there’s only so much that the government can do.  People do need to be responsible for themselves and their neighbors and make the right choices.  Sorry it’s inconvenient and little uncomfortable. 

Newsom didn't have a choice. Still doesn't. Too few people comply and too few law enforcement agencies enforce. He had to save face. I hate fireworks personally but I love that everyone shot em off. Fuck Newsom

[Lhalo]

38 minutes ago, Adam said:

Newsom didn't have a choice. Still doesn't. Too few people comply and too few law enforcement agencies enforce. He had to save face. I hate fireworks personally but I love that everyone shot em off. Fuck Newsom

 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

NY didn't do it right they shit the bed at the onset.  They shutdown only 3 days after we did here in CA yet their situation was a hell of a lot worse because they ignored the rising number of cases and the impact in a densely populated area, particularly with their public transit.  Sending sick people back into SNF's should probably warrant charges being brought against those in charge.  My criticisms of Newsom aside the current rollback is learning from New York along with countries who reacted too slowly to the rise in cases.  As far as herd immunity NY estimated 12-20% in different areas at the end of April and while I'm sure the numbers have gone up it isn't that much with the lock down.  The hardest hit region in Italy tested about a month ago and they were over 50% but no one wants to get there the way they did.  Masks, social distancing, no huge gatherings and we can avoid lock downs while it runs it's course.  Problem is our elected officials went from telling citizens to lock down then some cheer on protesters and allow them to take over parts of cities.  Some people are absolutely idiots who won't follow guidelines but the mixed messages of basically saying it's okay to ignore for this and not that isn't right either.  Plenty of failure to go around.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, UndertheHalo said:

NY does not have herd immunity and is not approaching herd immunity.  You guys keep saying this but you don’t really want to know what the road to rapid herd immunity looks like.
 

just wear the masks and be smart about gatherings and going out.  Beating the virus can be achieved without a million people dying.  
 

also, NY handled it far worse than California.  They paid the price.  We’re still trying to stave off that terrible scenario.  Newsom should not have let the openings happen as rapidly as they did.  I am not advocating for the March style shut downs again.  But we need to be reasonable about what’s going on here.  Enforce the mask requirements.  Don’t allow large gatherings.  And of course there’s only so much that the government can do.  People do need to be responsible for themselves and their neighbors and make the right choices.  Sorry it’s inconvenient and little uncomfortable. 

What Newsom should have done last week is to not automatically shut down all restaurants from dine-in.    He should have based closures on the best information gathered regarding if the restaurants were observing the rules.   Don't penalize all for the actions of some.

If any indoor business is observing the rules, why shut them down?   

[Angel Oracle]

Let's see how the mortality numbers change over the next 2-3 weeks.  

Over the past 30 days, the average daily deaths count nationally was around 500-550, which is 1/4 of what it was from April 7-May 6.

If by late July, the rate is still around 500/day, then it will be time to consider advancing towards at least the latter part of phase 2 nationally.

Maybe as the virus mutates further, it weakens some?     

[tennischmp]

43 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

What Newsom should have done last week is to not automatically shut down all restaurants from dine-in.    He should have based closures on the best information gathered regarding if the restaurants were observing the rules.   Don't penalize all for the actions of some.

If any indoor business is observing the rules, why shut them down?   

The problem is that you can’t eat with a mask so it’s not about following the rules is about changing the rules. Based on studies the virus spreads much greater indoors so dining inside is not possible unless you can eat with a mask on.

[Crampknees]

51 minutes ago, tennischmp said:

The problem is that you can’t eat with a mask so it’s not about following the rules is about changing the rules. Based on studies the virus spreads much greater indoors so dining inside is not possible unless you can eat with a mask on.

Most restaurants make money on the bar so will struggle.  Couple places we go to here I may go 10 times a year and have already done curbside pick up since this started 10 times each.  I don't miss the $14 glass of wine in a large glass that doesn't even have three fingers of wine in it.  Shit, just bring it in a shot glass. So restaurants like that have a line outside for curbside pick up and are ok, just missing raping you over the drink.   

[gotbeer]

Just got back from Vegas for the 4th.  Here are my takeaways

For a 4th, Vegas was pretty dead. 

Had breakfast at a local breakfast restaurant.  Masks everywhere, they took out a ton of tables, and all tables were a good 6 feet from each other.  Booths were every other.  I'd say they were at 25% seating capacity of what they normally are at.

Bellagio on Friday, barely anyone in there.  No temperature checks.  They had partitions on tables, and just turned off machines so that you couldn't play them.  standard layout and occupancy.

Venetian also on Friday.  More people than Bellagio.  They checked temperature when you came in, masks everywhere.  no partitions on tables and turned off machines so that you couldn't play them.  standard layout and occupancy.  

Strip itself on Friday.  We drove down the strip.  It was dead.  Usually there would be tons of people walking in the morning when it's cooler, especially between hotels.  Saw barely anyone walking.  

Southpoint on Sunday.  They didn't take temperatures in the morning when we got there, but there was someone doing it later.  tables were 3 people per.  And machines were turned off.  standard layout and occupancy.

Silverton.  Hotel we stayed at.  I was actually impressed with them.  2 entrances only, manned 24 hours a day to check temperature.  Masks on all the time, except when drinking/smoking.  Everyone I saw would take a sip and put the mask back on.  If you didn't have a mask one was provided, and compliance was pretty high.  I didn't see anyone without a mask.  Security or anyone working there got on anyone without a mask pretty quick.  I.E. I saw the cocktail waitress reminding people to put their mask on.  Pool area was the only place you didn't have to wear a mask.  They had a security guard there counting how many people were in the pool, and limiting/preventing more from going in.  Pool chairs were spread out.  Housekeeping doesn't do daily room cleanings.  Casino wise, 3 people per table.  Tables were spread out.  No turned off machines.  They actually took effort to spread out the machines into carousels, so that no one was sitting next to each other, and distance between carousels were a good distance.  All the restaurants had tables spread apart, and only every other booth was open.  No buffet.  Sportsbook was also only 2 per row, when it used to be 4 seats per row.  

Rumor is, casinos are closing back up this week though. At least that's what one of our friends who works at Bellagio was told.  

Drive wise, was a breeze for a holiday weekend.  Made both ends of the trip in under 4 hours.  

[Rico]

 

[Redondo]

WHO admits the first warning of COVID-19 outbreak did not come from Chinese authorities as they initially claimed

The credibility of the World Health Organization (WHO) and its dealings with the Chinese government in the early days of the pandemic have once again come under scrutiny following revelations that the U.N.-backed global health body tacitly changed its coronavirus timeline to disclose that it initially heard about the novel virus outbreak from the Internet, not Beijing officials as it has long insisted.

According to multiple reports, the revisions were made on the WHO website on June 29, adding fuel to the fire that the Chinese leadership long purported to cover up the new virus, formally termed COVID-19, and that the WHO assisted them in doing so.

[Jason]

2 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

NY didn't do it right they shit the bed at the onset.  They shutdown only 3 days after we did here in CA yet their situation was a hell of a lot worse because they ignored the rising number of cases and the impact in a densely populated area, particularly with their public transit.  Sending sick people back into SNF's should probably warrant charges being brought against those in charge.  My criticisms of Newsom aside the current rollback is learning from New York along with countries who reacted too slowly to the rise in cases.  As far as herd immunity NY estimated 12-20% in different areas at the end of April and while I'm sure the numbers have gone up it isn't that much with the lock down.  The hardest hit region in Italy tested about a month ago and they were over 50% but no one wants to get there the way they did.  Masks, social distancing, no huge gatherings and we can avoid lock downs while it runs it's course.  Problem is our elected officials went from telling citizens to lock down then some cheer on protesters and allow them to take over parts of cities.  Some people are absolutely idiots who won't follow guidelines but the mixed messages of basically saying it's okay to ignore for this and not that isn't right either.  Plenty of failure to go around.

Yep and I’ll add that we were told the restrictions imposed were important to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the health care system at one time , not prevent the virus. Preventing it is not realistic

[Jason]

1 hour ago, tennischmp said:

The problem is that you can’t eat with a mask so it’s not about following the rules is about changing the rules. Based on studies the virus spreads much greater indoors so dining inside is not possible unless you can eat with a mask on.

I like eating outside better anyways 

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

I like eating outside better anyways 

Those flies are good protein. 

[wopphil]

2 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Problem is our elected officials went from telling citizens to lock down then some cheer on protesters and allow them to take over parts of cities.  

Don’t forget about the ones who call the virus a hoax, refuse to wear masks, refuse to publicly acknowledge the virus, and hold rallies where thousands of people cried together in enclosed environments. I seem to recall a politician in a high position who has done all of this recently.

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

Those flies are good protein. 

The price to pay for fresh air.