One Writer Predicts Scioscia Wont Last The Season

[Taylor]

7 minutes ago, Hubs said:

Scioscia, Terry Francona, and Joe Maddon all have nearly identical winning percentages, along with Jeff Bannister.  Among current or recent managers, only Dave Roberts (.600), Mike Matheny (0.560), and Joe Girardi (.554), have done better by winning percentage since Scioscia was hired. (Minimum 2 seasons).

Joe Torre also is nearly identical with Scioscia at .538.

But something something bullpen something something Jeff Mathis something something lasagna.

[mtangelsfan]

^^^^^

Two, the same amount as the NL East and the AL Central.  One less than the NL Central.

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, Throwman91 said:

Thanks

 

Baseball

Baseball isn't a sport where the managers tactical decisions and counter tactics of the opposing manager dictates the outcome of a game.  It is too slow paced!

[stormngt]

6 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

I guest postseason wins, or lack of postseason wins doesn't figure into the definition of a good manager. When you play the Seattle mariners and the low payroll Oakland athletics in your division you should have a winning record almost every year. The Astros won the World Series this year, how many World Series teams have come from the American league West since 2000 ?

Two different franchises.  How many AL East has done it since 2000?  AL Central?  NL West?  NL East?  NL central?

[Troll Daddy]

You have to think that Eppler has discussed his future with him already ... considering all the time they spend together. 

I believe a extension is coming soon ... I’m guessing a one year deal. 

[stormngt]

29 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

I guest postseason wins, or lack of postseason wins doesn't figure into the definition of a good manager. When you play the Seattle mariners and the low payroll Oakland athletics in your division you should have a winning record almost every year. The Astros won the World Series this year, how many World Series teams have come from the American league West since 2000 ?

To show how ignorant your comment is:

Since 2000 Divisions to have franchises win WS:

AL East. Two franchises. Yanks 2x. Red Sox 3x

AL Central. Two franchises WSox and Royals

AL West. Two Franchises. Angels and Astros

NL East. Two franchises Marlins and Phil's

NL Central. Two franchises Cubs and Cards 2x

NL West. Two Franchises Giants 3x and Dbacks.

 

 

 

[Hubs]

10 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

I guest postseason wins, or lack of postseason wins doesn't figure into the definition of a good manager. When you play the Seattle mariners and the low payroll Oakland athletics in your division you should have a winning record almost every year. The Astros won the World Series this year, how many World Series teams have come from the American league West since 2000 ?

Since 2000, the AL representative has been from:

2000 - EAST - Yankees (W)

2001 - EAST - Yankees (L)

2002 - WEST - Angels (W)

2003 - EAST - Yankees (L)

2004 - EAST - Red Sox (W)

2005 - CENTRAL - White Sox (W)

2006 - CENTRAL - Tigers (L)

2007 - EAST - Red Sox (W)

2008 - EAST - Rays (L)

2009 - EAST - Yankees (W)

2010 - WEST - Rangers (L)

2011 - WEST - Rangers (L)

2012 - CENTRAL - Tigers (L)

2013 - EAST - Red Sox (W)

2014 - CENTRAL - Royals (L)

2015 - CENTRAL - Royals (W)

2016 - CENTRAL - Indians (L)

2017 - WEST - Astros (W)

So the AL is 9-9 in the 18 years Scioscia is a manager. The AL Pennant has been won by the East 8 Times (5-3 in WS) , Central 6 times, (2-4) and the West 4 Times (2-2).

The Yankees have 4 pennants (2-2 in WS) Red Sox have 3 pennants (3-0 in WS), the Tigers, Rangers, and Royals have 2 (0-2, 0-2, 1-1). The Angels, White Sox, Rays, Indians and Astros have 1 (1-0, 1-0, 0-1, 0-1, 1-0).

Only one Manager has more than one WS win for the AL in that time and that's Francona (2-1). Torre (1-2), Scioscia (1-0), Guillen (1-0), Girardi (1-0), Farrell (1-0), Yost (1-1), and Hinsch (1-0). Jim Leyland (0-2), Washington (0-2), and Joe Maddon (0-1 for AL).

In the NL, Bruce Bochy is 3-0, Tony LaRussa is 2-1, and no one else has more than one win or loss.

 

[Hubs]

I think he gets at least two more seasons, including 2018.

Watch him win AL Manager of the Year riding AL MVP Mike Trout, AL Rookie of the Year Shohei Ohtani, and AL Cy Young winner Garrett Richards.

Would people stop calling for him to be let go then? Probably not.

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, Hubs said:

I think he gets at least two more seasons, including 2018.

Watch him win AL Manager of the Year riding AL MVP Mike Trout, AL Rookie of the Year Shohei Ohtani, and AL Cy Young winner Garrett Richards.

Would people stop calling for him to be let go then? Probably not.

No because some people are morons.  

[Hubs]

13 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

I hope so. It would be about time.

Great, you stop calling for his firing, and I'll stop having to defend him.

You do realize the Angels have had 20 managers in their history, and only three have 5 or more seasons on the job? (32 years between Rigney, Mauch, and Scioscia). The other 17 have lasted an average of one season plus (25 years).

In the 18 years before Scioscia, there were 11 managers. And Mauch was 5 seasons of those.

[Stradling]

5 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Arte will not fire Scioscia, he would have done it a long . I blame Arte.

Cool go to ArteWins.com and chat it up there.  

[eligrba]

8 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Arte will not fire Scioscia, he would have done it a long . I blame Arte.

Love the avatar. 

[Angel Oracle]

I wouldn't say that the Halos of the 1990s left Scioscia with a winning product when he was hired.   They had 3 seasons from 1995-1999 where they were solid and two bad seasons.   There was a beginning with the position players (Salmon, Glaus, Erstad, GA, Bengie), but also very little pitching by ST 2000. 

I do agree that going forward, 1-2 year renewals are as far as it should go, if warrented.   No more 10 year, or even 5 year, deals...as Scioscia turns 60 in 2018.

[mtangelsfan]

30 minutes ago, Throwman91 said:

Scioscia inherited a winning product, he then inherited an even better product from Arte's pocket book but couldn't win a ring with many ample opportunities, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2014,. to name the best seasons.  Any manager on that list would have a decent shot at winning 100 games if they racked up as many seasons as Scioscia with the same owner support.

Oh good grief.

[Hubs]

39 minutes ago, Throwman91 said:

Scioscia inherited a winning product, he then inherited an even better product from Arte's pocket book but couldn't win a ring with many ample opportunities, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2014,. to name the best seasons.  Any manager on that list would have a decent shot at winning 100 games if they racked up as many seasons as Scioscia with the same owner support.

In 1999, the Angels went 70-92. Terry Collins quit with a month left, and Maddon managed to go 9 over .500 to finish the season. That means, that when Maddon took over, the Angels were among the very worst teams in the league at 51-82, 31 games under .500.

Collins had two middling win seasons at 85-77 and 84-78 in the previous year. That goes along with a 70-91 campaign in 1996, and a 78-67 (or roughly an 87 win season in a non-strike shortened year).

The Angels went 47-68 in the strike year of 1994, or roughly a 66 win pace, and a71-91 and 72-90 in the two previous seasons. They finished at .500 or so in the two previous years to that.

How exactly is 5 losing seasons to go along with two .500 seasons, and three decent seasons a "Winning Product" That Scioscia inherited?

No Manager besides Scioscia has ever won 100 games with the Angels, and only two others (Mauch twice and Radar once) have ever won 90 games as an Angels Manager.

The facts do not support your argument. If you want to say he's been underperforming under Mike Trout, I'll give you that one, but you can't question his first 10-12 seasons on the job.

[Blarg]

Hubs, you are having an argument with this. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by Blarg

[stormngt]

4 hours ago, Hubs said:

I think he gets at least two more seasons, including 2018.

Watch him win AL Manager of the Year riding AL MVP Mike Trout, AL Rookie of the Year Shohei Ohtani, and AL Cy Young winner Garrett Richards.

Would people stop calling for him to be let go then? Probably not.

No because these people would say the manager a little impact on the team's success.

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

The Angels win 100 games  in 2008 , then win one postseason game against the Red Sox . Who gets beat by Joe Maddon's Rays. That was one more win then the Angel team that won 98 games, then laid an egg, zero postseason wins.

In 2009 the Angels swept the highly favored Red Sox in the playoffs. They lost to the Yankees 4-2 and the Bronx Bombers went on to win the World Series.

The 2009 Yankees were a better team. There is no shame losing a 7 game series to the World Series Champions. 

Edited January 4, 2018 by Blarg

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

In 2009 the Angels swept the highly favored Red Sox in the playoffs. They lost to the Yankees 4-2 and the Bronx Bombers went on to win the World Series.

The 2009 Yankees were a better team. There is no shame losing a 7 game series to the World Series Champions. 

2009 was the year that the Great Joe Madden managed the Rays to 84 wins and a 3rd place finish, despite having a very good offense and a solid pitching staff.  Hell in 2015 Scioscia lead an Angel team that had below average hitting and below average pitching to 85 wins.  But Madden is the Mesiah and Sosh is trash.  

[arch stanton]

1 hour ago, Throwman91 said:

Maddon knows how to take a team all the way

So does Ned Yost. Is he on your list?

[tdawg87]

This is a great thread.

[Blarg]

2 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

So does Ned Yost. Is he on your list?

Throwman91's list

1) I hate Scioscia

end list

 

 

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Throwman91 said:

Maddon knows how to take a team all the way

His team underperformed this year

[tdawg87]

I will truly never understand where the boner for Joe Maddon came from.

Maddon's career winning percentage: .5378

Scioscia's career winning percentage: .5384

Maddon has managed 2 90+ loss teams. Scioscia? 0.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

I will truly never understand where the boner for Joe Maddon came from.

Maddon's career winning percentage: .5378

Scioscia's career winning percentage: .5384

Maddon has managed 2 90+ loss teams. Scioscia? 0.

Because he isn’t Scioscia, he was on the bench when the Angels won in 2002, he wears glasses, he seems like a cool dude, and he’s quirky.