Ohtani riding pine ?

[UndertheHalo]

I know he’s been fairly dog shit, but it seems like he’s been out of the line up for a week or so now.  What’s going on with this guy ? Did I miss something.  Besides the dog shit part. 

[Jason]

His arm is still messed up so that may be playing a part in slowing him down. 

[failos]

It was fun watching him play when he won RoY. I’m over him now. Just a glass ballerina with an awkward swing, unfortunately.

Edited September 17, 2020 by failos

[AngelsFaninGA]

He's getting phased out. At least Walsh has softened the blow. 

[Bronson]

Yeah either make try Ohtani our closer or just have him be a full time DH and fix it his swing. He’s not gonna be a starter at the major league level.

[Claude]

He’s 1 - 20 since V-J Day. 

[Erstad Grit]

His role is a pinch runner for the free runner at 2b in extra inning games

[Second Base]

I think with Walsh hitting like he has, and Thaiss' development, and Albert's swan song coming up next season, Ohtani is probably going to be relegated to power bat off the bench or platoon duty at DH.

I mean when I think about it, they really don't need his bat. It's nice to have if everything is working right, but all they really need from Shohei is to be an ace again.

I'd rather have Shohei the ace starter than Shohei the MOTO DH. If he can do both great.

[ukyah]

this thread is a perfect example of how the CIA has been catching communists in america for decades. flies to honey.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Second Base said:

I think with Walsh hitting like he has, and Thaiss' development, and Albert's swan song coming up next season, Ohtani is probably going to be relegated to power bat off the bench or platoon duty at DH.

I mean when I think about it, they really don't need his bat. It's nice to have if everything is working right, but all they really need from Shohei is to be an ace again.

I'd rather have Shohei the ace starter than Shohei the MOTO DH. If he can do both great.

I guess the question needs to be asked.

Has there ever been a MLB pitcher who only pitched 80 innings over 4 years, and then succeeded?

Either make him a regular 1B, or make him a closer/part-time player.

[T.G.]

11 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

I guess the question needs to be asked.

Has there ever been a MLB pitcher who only pitched 80 innings over 4 years, and then succeeded?

It has nothing to do with whether or not Ohtani will succeed. 

There is no downside to letting him try.

There are no guarantees in life. Expecting the worst is a crappy point of view, IMO.

This rush to put Ohtani in some sort of box is funny.

[oldguy]

29 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

I guess the question needs to be asked.

Has there ever been a MLB pitcher who only pitched 80 innings over 4 years, and then succeeded?

Either make him a regular 1B, or make him a closer/part-time player.

and...have you ever seen a MLB hitter step in the bucket like Ohtani.  Something mental is going on.

[Angel Oracle]

15 minutes ago, True Grich said:

It has nothing to do with whether or not Ohtani will succeed. 

There is no downside to letting him try.

There are no guarantees in life. Expecting the worst is a crappy point of view, IMO.

This rush to put Ohtani in some sort of box is funny.

I can only say that Walsh at least has given hope to solving the 1B problem.

That leaves DH/starting pitching or closing/part-time playing.

[Angels 1961]

Ohtani will be fine, he has too much talent. Big part of team in 2021 I see him in RF.

[Warfarin]

I agree with @Second Base.  Ohtani's had a really poor year, but he still oozes potential.  They just need him to work with our player development team in the offseason and work on his issues.

That said, maybe being a two-way player truly is too much for him.  If that truly is the case, then have him focus solely on pitching.  He's a fine DH when he's right, but his value is much greater as an ace pitcher.

With Walsh's emergence, and with Marsh and Adell on the horizon, we potentially have the OF and 1B covered, which means the only position for Ohtani anyway is DH.  It is much easier to find a DH than it is a #1-#2 SP.  So, I would say, just have him focus on pitching this offseason.

[Claude]

They need to stop the two way player thing. Get good at one thing or sayonara.

[Chuck]

https://www.mlb.com/news/shohei-ohtani-playing-time-down-stretch

[ScottT]

The only thing... baseball wise... that Ohtani isn't good at.  Is staying healthy as a pitcher.

He's had a rough 150 PA. Big deal.

[Claude]

Ohtani should already be in Long Beach getting reprogrammed for next season. He’s doing absolutely no good sitting on the pine when he could be working on things instead of taking a roster spot. 

[Jay]

What's the prognosis for Ohtani's arm, is he going to have surgery again or does it just need rest?

 

[Claude]

On 9/16/2020 at 8:22 PM, Vladdylonglegs said:

Seeing him jump out of the way of pitches right down the middle is what did it for me. I don’t think you can be fixed when you’re that far gone. 

His walk up song should be the Hokey Pokey. 
 

You put your right foot in, you take your left foot out....

Edited September 21, 2020 by RendZone

[Claude]

6 minutes ago, Vladdylonglegs said:

I don’t think I’ve seen worse fundamentals in a major leaguer before. He looks worse than Jabari Blash in the box. 

I think the Angels F’d him up. He never did that in Japan.

[Stradling]

“How to spot a troll”

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, RendZone said:

I think the Angels F’d him up. He never did that in Japan.

LOL, yes...  because you saw how many Ohtani games while he was in Japan?   None or Zero?

[Lou]

On 9/16/2020 at 5:15 PM, failos said:

It was fun watching him play when he won RoY. I’m over him now. Just a glass ballerina with an awkward swing, unfortunately.

 

On 9/16/2020 at 5:31 PM, AngelsFaninGA said:

He's getting phased out. At least Walsh has softened the blow. 

 

On 9/16/2020 at 7:37 PM, Angel Oracle said:

I guess the question needs to be asked.

Has there ever been a MLB pitcher who only pitched 80 innings over 4 years, and then succeeded?

Either make him a regular 1B, or make him a closer/part-time player.

 

I agree