Pujols

[Angel Oracle]

One thing I think we ALL can agree on, is that he needs to play no more than 80-90 games next season, and then no more than 50-60 games in his last active season.

I can't remember the last time that ANY team had a 40+ year-old power-hitter playing more than a handful of games at a position on the field. 

I'm shocked that he's gotten through this season so far, already having 320+ PAs as a 1B, with a .796 OPS in those at bats to boot. 

[yk9001]

5 minutes ago, jgimondo said:

Most people wish he would retire, this post was about he still goes out there and gives his all to win. You should respect that.

I play in a co-ed church league on sundays in the summer.  Ages from 13-70.  A teammate of mine this year was having, well, a Pujols-type year.  Nothing going well.  Way too many ground balls.  He was hustling down the line at every ground ball, usually still getting thrown out by a step.  Dude is in his 50s. 

Not for one second did any of us think it was something remarkable, or out of the ordinary, to play hard.  Yet the ball-washing you guys do for Pujols, who gets paid $25 million a year to do this, is astounding.

[ten ocho recon scout]

10 minutes ago, jgimondo said:

Most people wish he would retire, this post was about he still goes out there and gives his all to win. You should respect that.

..... i thought i did?

[yk9001]

-0.1 WAR

[Claude]

5 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

I play in a co-ed church league on sundays in the summer.  Ages from 13-70.  A teammate of mine this year was having, well, a Pujols-type year.  Nothing going well.  Way too many ground balls.  He was hustling down the line at every ground ball, usually still getting thrown out by a step.  Dude is in his 50s. 

Not for one second did any of us think it was something remarkable, or out of the ordinary, to play hard.  Yet the ball-washing you guys do for Pujols, who gets paid $25 million a year to do this, is astounding.

What’s even funnier is that he really doesn’t care much about interacting with the fans. He would much rather avoid them. 

[Angel Oracle]

If he retired (collecting the $59 million due him) after the season, it would benefit the org budget wise because Arte could then spread out that remaining money over his personal services contract period.

He could say that he went out having a solid OPS (currently .796) as a 1B in 2019.

[mulwin444]

A tiny compliment paid towards Pujols and, as expected, the moths close in...

[yk9001]

Eppler didn't kill anyone this month.

Not a single person.

How about that guy, Eppler??

[eligrba]

Yep. Pujols leaving would solve most, possibly all of the pitching problems. That -0.1 WAR is killing the team's ERA.

[Docwaukee]

He better be trying to help the team win games.  Every player on the team should be held to that standard.  

hes' not good enough to play as often as he has this year but it is what it is.  

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Calzone 2 said:

What’s even funnier is that he really doesn’t care much about interacting with Canadians. He would much rather avoid them. 

 

[yk9001]

2 hours ago, eligrba said:

Yep. Pujols leaving would solve most, possibly all of the pitching problems. That -0.1 WAR is killing the team's ERA.

You are replying to an imaginary post.

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

If he retired (collecting the $59 million due him) after the season, it would benefit the org budget wise because Arte could then spread out that remaining money over his personal services contract period.

He could say that he went out having a solid OPS (currently .796) as a 1B in 2019.

No, he couldn't. That would require the players Union and Pujols to accept a contract restructure and personal services contracts are not allowed so the money couldn't be funneled into that.

[tdawg87]

AO has been stuck on the "restructuring" thing for a while. It's absolutely not going to happen.

[Blarg]

If Pujols chooses to retire the money is forfeited. If the Angels choose to release him they must pay the contract off in the same manner it was agreed upon. Any restructure of payments have to be agreed upon by four parties. MLB, the Players Union, Albert Pujols and the Angels. Regardless, the money paid would be part of the salary cap until it gets completely paid off.

[yk9001]

13 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

AO has been stuck on the "restructuring" thing for a while. It's absolutely not going to happen.

people here have been stuck on it since, oh about six weeks into his Angels career, which is about how long it took for Albert to hit his first home run.

Restructuring, retiring when his BA got below .300, retiring when he hit certain milestones.

 

This board has done a lot of wishing and hoping.

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

If Pujols chooses to retire the money is forfeited. If the Angels choose to release him they must pay the contract off in the same manner it was agreed upon. Any restructure of payments have to be agreed upon by four parties. MLB, the Players Union, Albert Pujols and the Angels. Regardless, the money paid would be part of the salary cap until it gets completely paid off.

The total salary would of course be part of the tax threshold through 2021.

But if all 4 parties can agree to restructure it over a longer period of time (a la Bonilla), then that’s beneficial to the actual budget for the next two seasons.   That is beneficial when trying to bring a Cole and another solid FA pitcher in here.

Funneling the $59 million into his personal services contract was not intended to be what I meant.   I simply was saying they could restructure the $59 million over the same 10 years as the personal services contract.

[Blarg]

The Bonilla contract is fucking stupid. It also counts against the Mets salary cap. So restructuring is just making the payroll flexibility a problem for a longer time and costing Moreno more money. 

[Docwaukee]

the players union would likely not accept Albert deferring money unless the Angels add additional cash to the deal.  

At that point, it's starts to not make much sense.  

You're better off trying to get a free agent like Cole to take less money in 2020/21 and just paying Albert off.  Or dipping into the equity of the team.  

There's no magic formula that likely has a material impact unless he up and decides to retire.  I'd put the chances of that happening at about 5% following 2020.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

I think its possible the front office has tried to build shit teams to make pujols want to quit.

They need to hire some guys who stink. And guys who say things like "bomb sauce", and instruct them to sit next to him a lot.

[Claude]

Having Pujols on the team is like playing the entire season with a 24 man roster but with $29M less to work with.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Calzone 2

[Docwaukee]

remember when everyone loved Pujols?  

[thebloob]

5 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

remember when everyone loved Pujols?  

No. 

 

 

 

Oh you you mean in St. Louis at the end of 2011. 

[Claude]

2 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

remember when everyone loved Pujols?  

Remember when we signed him and he was going to change everything and take the franchise to the next level. It’s now 1263 games later. 

1263 games before  AP (711-552)

1263 games with  AP (647-616)

[Docwaukee]

2 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

Remember when we signed him and he was going to change everything and take the franchise to the next level. It’s now 1263 games later. 

1263 games before  AP (711-552)

1263 games with  AP (647-616)

what's our record with Trout?  

dumb.