2018 Hot Stove League

[Angel Oracle]

8 minutes ago, Kody Mac said:

I'd like to sign Anibal Sanchez. I think he'd be a great addition.

Potentially nice buy lower option, given his pitch repertoire change and improvement 

[totdprods]

3 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

 

Perfectly reasonable and competitive offer. 

[VariousCrap]

3 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

 

 

 

Can't blame Happ for taking the extra money to play for the Yankees.  Also, you can't blame Eppler for not signing him as that was a good offer from the Angels.

[Stradling]

6 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

 

Ok, who here would be ok with paying $35 million for two years of JA Happ?  By the way I am almost positive I have been referring to him as AJ all off season.  

[VariousCrap]

As for Grandal....I say the Angels need to stay away from him.  He will cost too much money and will cost a draft pick.  I'd much rather the Angels bring back Maldonaldo and spend the money elsewhere.

[VariousCrap]

13 minutes ago, Kody Mac said:

I'd like to sign Anibal Sanchez. I think he'd be a great addition.

This type of signing may be what the Angels have to do for the rotation.  Low risk, high reward types.  Maybe even bring back Shoemaker too.

 

 

[Docwaukee]

9 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Grandal, Keuchel, a cheap #5, a couple ST invite RPs, plus Bour and La Stella wouldn't be a terrible offseason, even if it's way off what I would have hoped for.

Expensive but solid.

that would be a wreck of an off season from my view.  I know it would probably improve us for 2019 and 2020, but what about 2021 and 2022 assuming a Trout extension.  

In 2021, you have Albert still on the books (41yo at 30m) plus Grandal (32 at probably 16m), Keuchel (33 at 20m), Upton (33 at 23m) and Trout's first year of extension (around 30m if we backload).  That's 130 mil to 5 players and doesn't include a Simmons or Skaggs extension.  

In 2022, Albert is off the books but everyone else gets raises and a year older.  

Committing 4 years each to a couple of guys already in their 30's makes me ill.  

[Docwaukee]

10 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Ok, who here would be ok with paying $35 million for two years of JA Happ?  By the way I am almost positive I have been referring to him as AJ all off season.  

It would have taken probably close to 40m to pry him away from the Yankees is my guess.  20m per for a guy entering his age 36 season?  No thanks.  

At that point, the Yanks probably match it anyway.  

[Stradling]

Just now, Dochalo said:

It would have taken probably close to 40m to pry him away from the Yankees is my guess.  20m per for a guy entering his age 36 season?  No thanks.  

At that point, the Yanks probably match it anyway.  

Yep, all of these deals take three, not just two.  It takes a player to have interest, it takes the Angels to make a competitive or attractive offer and it takes the agent not selling that bid to another team.  

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Yep, all of these deals take three, not just two.  It takes a player to have interest, it takes the Angels to make a competitive or attractive offer and it takes the agent not selling that bid to another team.  

and of course they're going to because that's their job.  

[totdprods]

13 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

that would be a wreck of an off season from my view.  I know it would probably improve us for 2019 and 2020, but what about 2021 and 2022 assuming a Trout extension.  

In 2021, you have Albert still on the books (41yo at 30m) plus Grandal (32 at probably 16m), Keuchel (33 at 20m), Upton (33 at 23m) and Trout's first year of extension (around 30m if we backload).  That's 130 mil to 5 players and doesn't include a Simmons or Skaggs extension.  

In 2022, Albert is off the books but everyone else gets raises and a year older.  

Committing 4 years each to a couple of guys already in their 30's makes me ill.  

I have doubts about Skaggs being extended. He'd have to be awfully durable in '19 and '20 for me to think it'd be worth it. 
I'd love to keep Simmons but I don't think an extension is a sure thing once he hits FA either, especially with Fletcher, Rengifo, and Jones currently in the mix. As of right now, yes, I'd prefer to keep him, but the development of those three and Andrelton's price tag come '20 could change things. 

Yeah, it'd be bordering on reckless spending, but I can also see Keuchel and Grandal wind up signing for less than forecasted. Still expensive, still a sacrifice of picks, but we'd keep the farm intact and set up the '19-'20 teams nicely.

[Angel Oracle]

No thank you to Keuchel, the hits allowed machine

Grandal is fine at $12-14 million/per season, as long as they don't offer more than two guaranteed seasons and a team option 3rd season.

[Stradling]

If you want to upgrade 2nd base a pretty damn good option is available in Jed Lowrie.  Now I know we have so many possible 2nd baseman, but if you want someone that is tested and a definite upgrade that wouldn’t break the bank, could bat at the top of the line up, there is a lot worse you could do than him.  Back to back 4 WAR seasons, .350-360 OBP, back to back 120 OPS+ seasons.  Yea, he would help a ton.

[VariousCrap]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If you want to upgrade 2nd base a pretty damn good option is available in Jed Lowrie.  Now I know we have so many possible 2nd baseman, but if you want someone that is tested and a definite upgrade that wouldn’t break the bank, could bat at the top of the line up, there is a lot worse you could do than him.  Back to back 4 WAR seasons, .350-360 OBP, back to back 120 OPS+ seasons.  Yea, he would help a ton.

I think the only concern would be his age.  You wouldn't want to sign him for too many years, but yes, he is a solid player/option.

[VariousCrap]

9 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

No thank you to Keuchel, the hits allowed machine

Grandal is fine at $12-14 million/per season, as long as they don't offer more than two guaranteed seasons and a team option 3rd season.

Another downfall regarding Grandal is he will cost you a pick.

[Stradling]

Just now, VariousCrap said:

I think the only concern would be his age.  You wouldn't want to sign him for too many years, but yes, he is a solid player/option.

Yep, two years.  I am sure he will get offers or just go back to the A’s.  

[totdprods]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

If you want to upgrade 2nd base a pretty damn good option is available in Jed Lowrie.  Now I know we have so many possible 2nd baseman, but if you want someone that is tested and a definite upgrade that wouldn’t break the bank, could bat at the top of the line up, there is a lot worse you could do than him.  Back to back 4 WAR seasons, .350-360 OBP, back to back 120 OPS+ seasons.  Yea, he would help a ton.

Was going to point out that we haven't seen much of anything happen on FA IF market yet this year, and there are numerous guys who would be of interest, one of which being Lowrie. 

Depending on the context of the rest of the offseason, Lowrie, Moustakas, Dozier, Harrison, Davidson, Forsythe, LeMahieu, Tulo, and Solarte all come with varying degrees of intrigue.

Plenty of relievers still available - Billy's best bullpen yet was ST invites, waiver claims, and a minor-league trade - and there's considerable depth when it comes to vet, one-year SP #4-#5 types, many of whom have had #3-level production in the last year or two.

Harper and Machado are still FAs, and the Angels still have a ~Top 10 farm to deal from. There's a lot of offseason left to improve.

[VariousCrap]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Yep, two years.  I am sure he will get offers or just go back to the A’s.  

Two years with a team option/buyout might get it done.  It would be nice to have a player like him hitting in front of Trout.

[floplag]

12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If you want to upgrade 2nd base a pretty damn good option is available in Jed Lowrie.  Now I know we have so many possible 2nd baseman, but if you want someone that is tested and a definite upgrade that wouldn’t break the bank, could bat at the top of the line up, there is a lot worse you could do than him.  Back to back 4 WAR seasons, .350-360 OBP, back to back 120 OPS+ seasons.  Yea, he would help a ton.

While true, we have so many of those types already on roster it feels redundant.  Money perhaps better spent elsewhere.  

[Stradling]

Just now, floplag said:

While true, we have so many of those types already on roster it feels redundant.  Money perhaps better spent elsewhere.  

We have zero of those types on the roster right now that play 2nd base.  

[floplag]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

We have zero of those types on the roster right now that play 2nd base.  

Im not arguing they are as good, but we have a lot of 2B guys on the roster.   
Seems like we should spend on other holes first is all. 

[Stradling]

Just now, floplag said:

Im not arguing they are as good, but we have a lot of 2B guys on the roster.   
Seems like we should spend on other holes first is all. 

I get it, but a 4 WAR player that is possibly undervalued on the market while we are going to be starting Cozart, it might be the most affordable way to add two wins to the team.  We could also look to trade a guy like Fletcher or Ward or Jam Jones and bring in other talent.  

[floplag]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

I get it, but a 4 WAR player that is possibly undervalued on the market while we are going to be starting Cozart, it might be the most affordable way to add two wins to the team.  We could also look to trade a guy like Fletcher or Ward or Jam Jones and bring in other talent.  

Sure, im not opposed to it hes a quality player just not a spot we need today barring something like that.  

[Angel Oracle]

17 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I get it, but a 4 WAR player that is possibly undervalued on the market while we are going to be starting Cozart, it might be the most affordable way to add two wins to the team.  We could also look to trade a guy like Fletcher or Ward or Jam Jones and bring in other talent.  

They could even trade Cozart, eating half of the $25 million remaining salary.   Someone out there would likely try to acquire him for only $12.5 million over 2 seasons, without trading a solid prospect.

Lowrie's salary would make up pretty much the difference, with much more established offense.  

[GrittyVeterans]

Lowrie can also play 3rd. He is definitely someone I’d be interested in. It’s too bad we blew money on Cozart last offseason. I’m not optimistic about him