The Official 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

[eaterfan]

37 minutes ago, stormngt said:

How did that strategy work out for us at the turn of the decade?

How did forfeiting our draft picks work out for us? How did signing FAs work out because we wanted to win now? How did signing big time relievers like Madson or Spierer work out? 

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

21 minutes ago, OHTANILAND said:

So are we going to catch the Astros with Cobb or are we trying to make sure that Seattle doesn’t catch us?

Seattle sucks. 

[Ohtaniland]

Just now, GoodTimesGoneBad said:

Seattle sucks. 

I know. 

[HaloNArizona]

17 hours ago, jordan said:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762128-2018-spring-training-predictions-for-all-30-mlb-teams-final-25-man-rosters?share=sms

 

BR projecting Holland to be on Angels 25 man roster.  

Elsewhere, what should stand out is the inclusion of Greg Holland. The Angels would consider him at "the right price," according to Morosi. His price must be approaching the "right" range by this point, and the Angels bullpen would look that much better with him in it.

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, OHTANILAND said:

So are we going to catch the Astros with Cobb or are we trying to make sure that Seattle doesn’t catch us?

If you’d ever like to be taken seriously I’d suggest you abandon being yourself.  

[Ohtaniland]

16 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

If you’d ever like to be taken seriously I’d suggest you abandon being yourself.  

Be nice Stradling, life is good. 

[eaterfan]

3 hours ago, WeatherWonk said:

Would get us someone as good as Holland? Who is this reliever, and on what team? 

Are you thinking of a trading deadline type move, after we see how our pen is performing?

 

2 hours ago, eaterfan said:

I'm putting together a list. I'm at lunch now so I'll get a better idea soon. But basically there were just over 100 relievers with an ERA+ over 124 (within 15 percent of Holland last season) and at least 30 IPs.

The list is 106 relievers who fit that criteria. Holland is 74th in ERA+, He's 69th in IPs (Nice), 75th in WIP, 68th in K/B

Here's a list of relievers on bad teams who figure not to contend this year and aren't trying (KC, CWS, DET, MIA, ATL, PITT, CIN, or a FA) my list is a little outdated since it is where the player was last year:

Name	Age	Tm	ERA+	IP	FIP	WHIP	ERA
			▼
Felipe Rivero*	25	PIT	258	75.1	2.47	0.889	1.67
A.J. Schugel	28	PIT	221	32	4	1.406	1.97
Scott Alexander*	27	KCR	181	69	3.23	1.304	2.48
Raisel Iglesias	27	CIN	177	76	2.7	1.105	2.49
Mike Minor*	29	KCR	176	77.2	2.62	1.017	2.55
Drew Steckenrider	26	MIA	175	34.2	3.1	1.385	2.34
Shane Greene	28	DET	172	67.2	3.84	1.241	2.66
Sam Freeman*	30	ATL	168	60	3.34	1.25	2.55
Arodys Vizcaino	26	ATL	151	57.1	3.72	1.099	2.83
David Hernandez	32	CIN	143	55	2.76	1.036	3.11
Kevin McCarthy	25	KCR	141	45	3.98	1.4	3.2
Greg Infante	29	CHW	138	54.2	3.58	1.189	3.13
Kyle Barraclough	27	MIA	135	66	3.66	1.379	3
Jose Ramirez	27	ATL	134	62	4.88	1.194	3.19
Dillon Gee	31	FA	130	49.1	4.76	1.399	3.47
Peter Moylan	38	KCR	129	59.1	4	1.096	3.49
George Kontos	32	PIT	125	66.1	3.72	1.221	3.39

 

Here's a list of pitchers on teams below .500 last year who may be trying to contend but will probably fall off and make relievers available (TBR, TOR, BAL, SEA, TEX, OAK, NYM, PHI, SDP, SFG):

Name	Age	Tm	ERA+	IP	FIP	WHIP
			▼
Pat Neshek	36	PHI	286	62.1	1.86	0.866
Richard Bleier*	30	BAL	219	63.1	4.37	1.184
Hoby Milner*	26	PHI	212	31.1	4.5	1.468
Cory Gearrin	31	SFG	211	68	3.89	1.25
Brad Hand*	27	SDP	192	79.1	3.03	0.933
Alex Claudio*	25	TEX	188	82.2	3.21	1.04
Anthony Swarzak	31	NYM	187	77.1	2.74	1.034
Dominic Leone	25	TOR	180	70.1	2.94	1.052
Keone Kela	24	TEX	169	38.2	3.26	0.905
Juan Nicasio	30	SEA	167	72.1	2.98	1.078
Tony Zych	26	SEA	161	40.2	3.99	1.254
Luis Garcia	30	PHI	160	71.1	3.12	1.22
Hunter Strickland	28	SFG	159	61.1	3.63	1.435
Tommy Hunter	30	TBR	159	58.2	3.07	0.972
Mychal Givens	27	BAL	158	78.2	3.72	1.042
Zach Britton*	29	BAL	151	37.1	3.4	1.527
Ryan Buchter*	30	OAK	149	65.1	4.54	1.071
Jerry Blevins*	33	NYM	144	49	3.12	1.367
Hector Neris	28	PHI	140	74.2	3.71	1.259
Kyle Crick	24	SFG	138	32.1	3.9	1.206
Brad Brach	31	BAL	137	68	3.58	1.132
Roberto Osuna	22	TOR	137	64	1.74	0.859
Emilio Pagan	26	SEA	133	50.1	3.28	0.934
Nick Vincent	30	SEA	133	64.2	2.82	1.16
Craig Stammen	33	SDP	132	80.1	4.38	1.195
Edwin Diaz	23	SEA	130	66	4.02	1.152
Danny Barnes	27	TOR	130	66	4.58	1.091
Tony Watson*	32	SFG	128	66.2	4.45	1.38
Alex Colome	28	TBR	128	66.2	3.37	1.2
Ryan Tepera	29	TOR	128	77.2	3.75	1.133
Darren O'Day	34	BAL	127	60.1	3.7	1.077
Matt Bush	31	TEX	125	52.1	4	1.452
Dan Jennings*	30	TBR	124	62.2	4.72	1.34

 

Of the 50 guys on either list + Holland, he ranked 31st in ERA+, 50th in ERA, 37th in IPs, 32rd in FIP, 23rd in WHIP, 26th in K/BB, 

[VariousCrap]

4 hours ago, GoodTimesGoneBad said:

Offer Cobb 3/36 and call it an offseason. 

 

I think he gets closer to 15 million a year.  I'd offer him that.

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

32 minutes ago, VariousCrap said:

 

I think he gets closer to 15 million a year.  I'd offer him that.

Reports are he turned down 3/42 early in the offseason and he probably wishes he hadn't. Lynn got 1/12 so I think Cobb would be willing to take a 3 year deal with the same aav. Maybe have to include an opt out since those are all the rage. Push Shoe to close and the bullpen gets fixed too. 

[WeatherWonk]

Listen, I'm at the back of the pack, with respect to sabermetrics. And I appreciate your research. And I appreciate a stat that strives to ameliorate league and park factors.

But for a closer, any flavor of ERA doesnt seem that indicative to me. 

I say WHIP it! WHIP it good! Gimme a closer with a WHIP below 1.2 or 1.1.

[WeatherWonk]

5 minutes ago, GoodTimesGoneBad said:

Reports are he turned down 3/42 early in the offseason and he probably wishes he hadn't. Lynn got 1/12 so I think Cobb would be willing to take a 3 year deal with the same aav. Maybe have to include an opt out since those are all the rage. Push Shoe to close and the bullpen gets fixed too. 

I like this! Shoe can do it.

[stormngt]

4 hours ago, eaterfan said:

How did forfeiting our draft picks work out for us? How did signing FAs work out because we wanted to win now? How did signing big time relievers like Madson or Spierer work out? 

I quoted the wrong person.  I agree with you

[VariousCrap]

6 hours ago, GoodTimesGoneBad said:

Reports are he turned down 3/42 early in the offseason and he probably wishes he hadn't. Lynn got 1/12 so I think Cobb would be willing to take a 3 year deal with the same aav. Maybe have to include an opt out since those are all the rage. Push Shoe to close and the bullpen gets fixed too. 

 

Sounds good to me.

 

 

[m0nkey]

Altuve just got a 5 year, $151 million deal

[Homebrewer]

2 hours ago, m0nkey said:

Altuve just got a 5 year, $151 million deal

Wow...30 mil a year. Most ever for a position player?

[Stradling]

So Trout will get 7 years $280 million?

[m0nkey]

His deal was an extension of his current contract, which runs through 2019

[Homebrewer]

7 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

So Trout will get 7 years $280 million?

Altuve is better, so no.

BTW...Happy Birthday

[Troll Daddy]

3 hours ago, m0nkey said:

Altuve just got a 5 year, $151 million deal

Amazing story ... this kid was shunned by many teams including the Angels. I’m a huge fan of hard work and perseverance. 

[tdawg87]

The years are the most interesting IMO. I believe that brings him through his age 34 season. 

Granted, it was an extension, but you'd think he'd either want to explore free agency at 32 or just wait to get a 10 year deal in 2020.

Maybe there's an opt out, but it's still interesting nonetheless.  

Hell, offer Trout a 7 year, 280 million extension right now. That's 382 million over the next 10 years. 

[Stradling]

17 minutes ago, Homebrewer said:

Altuve is better, so no.

BTW...Happy Birthday

I disagree and thank you.   How’d you know?

[tdawg87]

I pm'd him your birthday pics

[Stradling]

Did it move?

[Homebrewer]

33 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

I disagree and thank you.   How’d you know?

There's not much I don't know.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

On 3/15/2018 at 10:08 AM, SuperTroopers said:

If Holland was as sure of a thing as you describe he is he wouldn’t be available.   I don’t disagree that we need a closer, but to give up a 2nd and a 5th round pick and the money attached to them, thus giving you zero flexibility in the entire draft, plus international money, something that Eppler seems to covet as a means to build the farm, it seems very unlikely.   

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-qualifying-offer-rules-explained/c-259650658

• A team that neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing will lose its second-highest selection in the following year's Draft, as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest remaining pick and an additional $500,000.

For a team to lose both a second and fifth round pick that needed to exceed the luxury tax the year before. IE: Dodgers, Giants, Yankees, Boston, Nationals.

We would lose second round pick and $500,000 in international pool money.