Kaepernick sits during national anthem, and 49ers defend him

[Thomas]

We are in a period of social upheaval not seen since the 1960s. Considering what we see on the nightly news/Interwebs I'm surprised more players haven't reacted similarly. Would they be 100% right? Of course not. But they wouldn't be 100% wrong either. Is he doing something people don't like? Of course. You don't make a point by doing otherwise. No one makes history by conforming to the emotionally comfortable. But it's pretty dang impressive what effect a backup quarterback on a terrible team can have to the national conversation with a few passive acts of defiance.

[ABC]

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

The kid mouthing off behind the camera is a dumbshit. They both deserved to be arrested after their behavior.

[Jay]

55 minutes ago, Thomas said:

We are in a period of social upheaval not seen since the 1960s. Considering what we see on the nightly news/Interwebs I'm surprised more players haven't reacted similarly. Would they be 100% right? Of course not. But they wouldn't be 100% wrong either. Is he doing something people don't like? Of course. You don't make a point by doing otherwise. No one makes history by conforming to the emotionally comfortable. But it's pretty dang impressive what effect a backup quarterback on a terrible team can have to the national conversation with a few passive acts of defiance.

but the national conversation is about what a dumbass douchebag he is.

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

but the national conversation is about what a dumbass douchebag he is.

Yep. 100% of the population agrees with you. That is totally what I've seen too.

[mtangelsfan]

1 hour ago, Thomas said:

We are in a period of social upheaval not seen since the 1960s. Considering what we see on the nightly news/Interwebs I'm surprised more players haven't reacted similarly. Would they be 100% right? Of course not. But they wouldn't be 100% wrong either. Is he doing something people don't like? Of course. You don't make a point by doing otherwise. No one makes history by conforming to the emotionally comfortable. But it's pretty dang impressive what effect a backup quarterback on a terrible team can have to the national conversation with a few passive acts of defiance.

Personally I don't think he is accomplishing what you believe he is trying to accomplish.  I will wait to see if he follows this up with some real actions.  What he has done has been easy so far.  Especially when he is financially set for life.  He also isn't really risking his job since he sucks already.

There are a myriad of issues with this country.  So many things wrong.  

[Thomas]

Just now, mtangelsfan said:

Personally I don't think he is accomplishing what you believe he is trying to accomplish.  

/Checks number of posts on this thread.

You were saying?

[mtangelsfan]

3 minutes ago, Thomas said:

/Checks number of posts on this thread.

You were saying?

There are tens of thousands of posts about the Angels and they still suck.

you were saying?

[Thomas]

Wow. I didn't even know that. Someone should pay a ton of money and put them on TV! Oh wait.

If you really like to document how this subject wasn't a "trending topic" for over a week now I'd love to hear it. Hell I'm so interested I'll take tomorrow off just so I can not miss a moment of what will surely be riveting and utterly insightful.

[Make Angels Great Again]

The biggest trending topic is about how much of a moron he is. I fail to see how that helps any.

[mtangelsfan]

30 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Wow. I didn't even know that. Someone should pay a ton of money and put them on TV! Oh wait.

If you really like to document how this subject wasn't a "trending topic" for over a week now I'd love to hear it. Hell I'm so interested I'll take tomorrow off just so I can not miss a moment of what will surely be riveting and utterly insightful.

I guess in these days trending on Twitter is accomplishing something big.

my point is I question whether this is going to do any good other than being the topic de jour on sports radio for a week or two.  

[Thomas]

28 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

I guess in these days trending on Twitter is accomplishing something big.

my point is I question whether this is going to do any good other than being the topic de jour on sports radio for a week or two.  

Watching documentaries about the marches in the 1960s the leaders were saavy and quite intentional on getting media attention. Make no mistake. This was their primary goal. MLK didn't march in Selma to change the city's mind. Fat chance of that. It was to change the minds in other parts of the country and to show what was happening. Symbolism such as Chavez marching the grape pickers to Sacramento and the state capital so that they arrived on Easter Sunday so they would make the nightly news to generate conversation. Kaepernick accomplished getting this issue into the news by himself  with much less walking.  It's pretty darn amazing actually. Definite luck involved but still. I mean is anyone nationally talking about this (granted maybe where you are but um... yeah serious you are even more desolate than where I am). Maybe 2%? http://www.wsj.com/articles/pipeline-protests-bring-dozens-of-arrests-in-iowa-north-dakota-1472744470

[mtangelsfan]

I am guessing I am more desolate than you.  4 hours to the nearest COSTCO.

 

 

[Thomas]

Yeah there are 3 in Albuquerque but that's it for the state. Quite a few hours in any direction for the next one. Probably El Paso which is 4 1/2 hours for me.

[Thomas]

4 hours ago, Thomas said:

Considering what we see on the nightly news/Interwebs I'm surprised more players haven't reacted similarly.

Hey I called it.  We're up 100%.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17445208/jeremy-lane-seattle-seahawks-sits-national-anthem-oakland-raiders-game

[Tank]

so chili, what will change because of kap's protest/statement? will there be new legislation? will bad cops all be fired/arrested? will inner city kids suddenly start receiving a better education?

[Adam]

I stood for the national anthem at the angel game yesterday. You're welcome patriots

[Thomas]

7 minutes ago, Tank said:

so chili, what will change because of kap's protest/statement? will there be new legislation? will bad cops all be fired/arrested? will inner city kids suddenly start receiving a better education?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73cxLiqc2U

Your metric for success is rediculous. Using this logic you may as well tell your students they are destined to fail. Miserably. Hell pretty much everyone ever is a failure. Jesus himself couldn't cut it based on your expectations.

[Tank]

i thought since you mentioned MLK it was worth asking.

[Tank]

i also thought it worth asking since he wants to see things change. just sitting down during the national anthem is not going to cause change in and of itself. is he bringing new awareness to these issues? hardly. so what will be accomplished by his statement? where is he going with all of this? sure people are talking about it, but the conversation has not been about "hey, you know, kap is right. let's treat others better." it's been focused on does he have the right, and what a clown he is for doing this.

so i think it's worth asking what his goal is.

[Thomas]

You wanna know how I know you haven't actually listened to him? Because he has has stated his goal. In very plain terms. It isn't very lofty. Just to make people talk. Like any journey you can only begin with the first step. The fact the destination isn't realistically reachable in our lifetime doesn't mean it's not a worthy effort. 

[mtangelsfan]

Wouldn't the fact that most people aren't listening to him make it pointless?  Wouldn't they have to talking about the right thing?

have we dumbed down society so much that doing something equates to succeeding?

[Thomas]

Honestly I think studying the reactions from those that oppose him are far more enlightening than what he says. For instance your belief of what is a failure in this regard compared to those in a different point of view who measure by a more pragmatic metric. I mean the closest anyone cares about Native issues are the names of stupid sports teams. We really could use some of this "failure".

[arch stanton]

What I find amusing is how many people make it personal about Kaep and refuse to admit that he might have the slightest inkling of a point to make because he's just a douche halfbreed jock. In fact, every time it's ever brought up that there might be a little injustice the argument gets skewed toward the messenger as if the message is secondary.

[ABC]

I don't see anyone saying the culture of police doesn't have significant problems. It appears that many have a problem with his assertion of "a country that oppresses black people and people of color".